He is going forum to forum with "Intel" but he can't elaborate much. But he can say it's very bad. You know, he has been updating AAG on staffing at other regionals. He is a very valuable asset these days to management. As far as the pilots, he has become someone who spreads rumors and fears.

 

if it was/is true then why did not AAG do it, definitely not
because they love the eagle pilots. Could it be that what ever is was/is would be laughed at in the industry. Word is first 20 airplanes they had a taker for, only person with enough 50 seaters being parked within the next 12 months is SKW who would have excess pilots. Maybe they bid under cost again as they did the UAL E175 deal (SKW management stated that when the deal was done) as they did the EJT contract. I see SKW management coming for cuts next year.

Just an opinion

 

I don't recall SKW management ever stating that they bid the UAL E175 deal, or any other for that matter, "under cost".... Do you have any legitimate source for this statement?

 

50/50 chance it will pass. Like PilotJ3 said, the new kids want to fly E175's, the mid senior CA's want to flow, and the senior guys just want to retire. A lot of different needs and wants here at Envoy.

 

If you guys want to vote no. You MUST get out and spread the word. I was 100% sure the PSA TA would fail and look what happened here.

 

I agree but Senators and Congressmen have some rules and processes to abide by. Your MEC is no different and sometimes those bite you in the a$$. In this case, they were bitten and did it the right way but sent a message to their pilots by abstaining from the vote. Given the circumstances, they did what needed to happen but did it in a manner that went as closely to what the group wanted.

This is a case where if the group is as unified as it appears, a resounding no vote carries a significant amount of weight with investors, your company and the NMB.

Trust me, I don't want to see with the Republic deal or Eagle deal pass. I thing if both those groups shoot down their respective deals, we have taken what was about to be a massive reset and completely stop it. I wish you guys luck.

 

The MEC could have voted NO. They did/could not, they did the next best thing sending it to the membership with MIA, DFW and N.Y. abstaining, basically a vote of no confidence. The only ones who were for the AIP/TA are the ones who never say no to management on anything the ORD and Training Reps. Also one of those casting the vote of yes for ORD was an unelected representative, because the F/O ORD rep resigned because he could not put up anymore with the BULL from the ORD Capt. Rep Glenna.

So all in all we have been placed in this position by 3 pilots. The pilots at Eagle if they can see past there fear and past there selfishness will realize this will not stop management from coming back next year and doing the same thing. Because we have a contract good for another 7 years and that did not stop them this time, why will passing this AIP/TA stop them from coming next year to do the same thing.

Be Prepared, Be Strong and VOTE NO

 

No!!! you are wrong again. We are here because six reps abstained and those abstentions are the reason why we are here staring at this TA. All of you that used to talk badly about the MEC are now defending it. I can only see what you and your friends in this forum have said before and I don't like your flip flopping. There had to be something truly negative coming down from management that they let this thing come out to the pilots. The question is why? Chest pounding from DFW and NY and MIA was just that peacocking at its best. To me those guys lost any credibility after abstaining. ORD and AETC are lost causes but what happened to the others is just sad. They were our only hope.

I don't buy the "we succumbed to Alpa national and management pressure". That is the biggest lie after obamacare.

They know something and they will not say it and that just validates that our MEC is playing major politics once again.

 

I never said they did right, what I said is they did the next best thing rather than voting yes. I agree there is something other than being threatened that they found home for 20 E175's (which is what I hear) and I would have said go ahead make the announcement. I agree I do not trust this pilot group to find a spine and would have been better for the six to say NO.

Yes I jumped on the previous MEC who negotiated in 2010 in secret with management, that they lied and gave away scope that we had and that they lied about why not to force management to go to the judge and explain under oath why they need 1113. The previous MEC was bought off by management just as is the ORD and TRNG reps now, left overs from the previous regime.

BUT, with all that said I still have to try to get as many NO votes to be cast.

 

The airplanes are coming to AE regardless if your pilots vote yes or no. AE pilots just don't know that yet.