Eagle AIP is alive again.
03-08-2014 | 05:55 AM
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The DFW reps mentioned the 6 abstainees didn't vote because they considered the AIP to already be dead, but to silence managements claim they weren't allowing the pilots to speak they decided to allow the pilots to crush it once and for all. Their option was to either vote yes, or abstain in that case.
Think about this if they knew that this was (is) a big POS why not block it again? Why do they care what management says? They need to come out with the truth we deserve that.
The only way to send you the deal was either to vote yes or abstain
Pretty good move your guys made. And scheduling it to finish with RAH's. Genius. I can't wait to watch the evening need that day.
Eagle has voted no twice already.
XJT has voted no
Now RAH and Eagle a third time will vote no.
This is the crap they write books about.
Great job guys.
03-08-2014 | 06:05 AM
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I don't work for eagle so I have no dog in the fight but its hard to believe a system is in place where the MEC can vote down a TA I guess twice now and then a couple weeks later management or national or whoever can just ask for another "vote" on the same thing. And if this seemingly hypothetical real system exists that the MEC members who's sole purpose is to be a voice for the paying members can not be made to make an official vote. Im not trying to sway anyone from voting one way or the other and if you do know anything about union laws you can see that I know very little but even I can see that something is F-UP. One thing for sure is that Bedford slept better last night, that does not please FLYZERG.
On that note I think im going to go buy 20 scratch lottery tickets.
On that note I think im going to go buy 20 scratch lottery tickets.
03-08-2014 | 06:21 AM
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I don't work for eagle so I have no dog in the fight but its hard to believe a system is in place where the MEC can vote down a TA I guess twice now and then a couple weeks later management or national or whoever can just ask for another "vote" on the same thing. And if this seemingly hypothetical real system exists that the MEC members who's sole purpose is to be a voice for the paying members can not be made to make an official vote. Im not trying to sway anyone from voting one way or the other and if you do know anything about union laws you can see that I know very little but even I can see that something is F-UP. One thing for sure is that Bedford slept better last night, that does not please FLYZERG.
On that note I think im going to go buy 20 scratch lottery tickets.
On that note I think im going to go buy 20 scratch lottery tickets.
03-08-2014 | 06:50 AM
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I would think PSA passing their contract is the basis for the low ball Eagle AIP. So in essence, PSA created the new "normal" or baseline for the other non-bankrupt carriers.
03-08-2014 | 06:55 AM
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The DFW reps mentioned the 6 abstainees didn't vote because they considered the AIP to already be dead, but to silence managements claim they weren't allowing the pilots to speak they decided to allow the pilots to crush it once and for all. Their option was to either vote yes, or abstain in that case.
03-08-2014 | 06:57 AM
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you have to think of this from management's perspective. If the MEC votes it down then the company does not have a window into how much their proposal has to be modified in order to get a majority vote from pilots. From our side, if we vote it down 80% to 20 then the company knows their proposal is nowwhere close to passing but if we vote no 51% to 49% the company know they only need to sweeten it enough to get another 1.1% to vote yes. that less than 15 pilots who need to change their vote. It like we are showing our hand. We called the company's bluff and raised, now it up to them to fold or reraise. If we go with a pilot vote they have a pretty good idea whats in our hand and can but accordingly. I prefer them to be in the dark! I dont care what they offer, Im voting NO We already signed an 8yr deal with a fleet plan promise so thats it. No airplanes then no talks, when is this pilot group gonna realize that the company has to do something, anything to prove their word is good. They'll park airplanes to let me flow, yeah right!!!
Here is what should be happening. The pilots should stage a MEC confidence vote.
This would give the pilots the opportunity to vote on whether they feel the MEC did a good job in turning the TA away on their behalf without the risk of the TA actually passing. If the MEC confidence vote passes, then that is the end of it. If the MEC confidence votes fails, then the TA can be sent to the pilot group.
You guys are skipping a major step without doing this. You have TWO major issues here, not just one.
1.) MEC confidence
2.) TA
Think about it, tell your MEC this is what you want instead.
03-08-2014 | 07:11 AM
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03-08-2014 | 07:38 AM
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I am livid.
I also want a large VOTE NO turnout.
I do not agree with what happened.
But management has two aces in the hole, ORD and AETC Reps on the take
and ALPA National. It is about time to shut up the yes voters once and for all. They are the ones screwing the pilots here, the MINORITY.
So yes, VOTE NO.
Obama abstained his whole career in the US Senate and he became President.
So yes I support my Reps they have fought the fight now for over six months and it is time for the pilots to stand up and VOTE NO.
I also want a large VOTE NO turnout.
I do not agree with what happened.
But management has two aces in the hole, ORD and AETC Reps on the take
and ALPA National. It is about time to shut up the yes voters once and for all. They are the ones screwing the pilots here, the MINORITY.
So yes, VOTE NO.
Obama abstained his whole career in the US Senate and he became President.
So yes I support my Reps they have fought the fight now for over six months and it is time for the pilots to stand up and VOTE NO.
03-08-2014 | 07:50 AM
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The DFW reps mentioned the 6 abstainees didn't vote because they considered the AIP to already be dead, but to silence managements claim they weren't allowing the pilots to speak they decided to allow the pilots to crush it once and for all. Their option was to either vote yes, or abstain in that case.
Think about this if they knew that this was (is) a big POS why not block it again? Why do they care what management says? They need to come out with the truth we deserve that.
The only way to send you the deal was either to vote yes or abstain
Pretty good move your guys made. And scheduling it to finish with RAH's. Genius. I can't wait to watch the evening need that day.
Eagle has voted no twice already.
XJT has voted no
Now RAH and Eagle a third time will vote no.
This is the crap they write books about.
Great job guys.
Jr guys want to fly the E175, Senior guys want to stay here until retire. Mid Senior CAs want to flow.
So, at the end...everyone will vote how they want.
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