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Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1602167)

Have a look at this, this guy does a quite excellent job of summing it all up. Good read.

Unions and Airlines

Thank you. This answered my question. I'm correct that there's no way senior pilots will allow entry level FOs to get a liveable wage as I cannot see a day that senior pilots will take a pay cut to help out the starting guys.

ERJF15, you can suck it. I'm on point. You must be a senior captain curled up in a ball, crying in the showers in your uniform every night at the thought of paying FOs more money.

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Originally Posted by Flying Ninja (Post 1602233)

Looking at the pay scale of your entry level Part 121 operation, you don't have to worry about me ever getting involved.

You can sleep soundly.

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Originally Posted by Flying Ninja (Post 1602239)

Thank you. This answered my question. I'm correct that there's no way senior pilots will allow entry level FOs to get a liveable wage as I cannot see a day that senior pilots will take a pay cut to help out the starting guys.

ERJF15, you can suck it. I'm on point. You must be a senior captain curled up in a ball, crying in the showers in your uniform every night at the thought of paying FOs more money.

Funniest ess h eye tee ever!! Keep flying flight sim X bro :p

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Originally Posted by D B Cooper (Post 1602131)

Back When I upgraded as a 7 year Capt I made more as a first officer. Making around 60 my first year. So to say captains make a liveable wage is ludicrous. The regional I was at was notorious for being one of the highest paid. I say notorious because management continued asking for pay cuts. A first year first officer should be making 60. You're a skilled worker with years of training and schooling, you should have respect for the job and compensation should be accordingly.

I know how you feel but let me throw this into the mix:

AC: CRJ700, #Seats:65, First yr: $25.84 Hr., Per seat: $.40
AC: E-175, #Seats:76, First yr: $25.84 Hr., Per seat: $.34
AC: 737-8, #Seats:150, First Yr: $40.00 Hr., Per seat: $.27
AC: MD-80, #Seats:140, First Yr: $40.00 Hr., Per seat: $.29
AC: A319, #Seats: 128, First Yr: $40.00Hr., Per seat: $.31

However, by the fourth year the FO hourly pay per seat trails mainline hourly pay per seat by an average of 11.3% for the CRJ 700 & 24.1% for the E-175. Seems the longer you stay an FO the less you're worth.

Source: AAG/AE current contracts, AA.com Fleet Stats

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Originally Posted by Flying Ninja (Post 1601263)

My understanding is that pay and benefits are negotiated by the pilot union. I also understand that the top pilots will not give the new pilots a pay hike to the tune of double or triple current rates.

Thus, how do you propose management to improve this career?

Seems to me the PILOTS are the one killing their own young and blaming it on management. I could be wrong. But I have yet to hear talks from senior pilots giving up money for the new people (which I KNOW will NEVER happen).

Why should anyone "give up money"? How about this "career" has been going backwards for decades, and the only direction any professional pilots pay should go is up!!! Or better yet, if you feel someone needs to "give up money", how about upper management? Their pay has only increased exponentially for years and even if it was cut in half, it would still be substantial!:rolleyes: