Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1610495)

Your vote changes nothing. This is how they plan to staff the regional flying. Envoy will be the entry level position for AA. The company will not even need to negotiate with our guys (APA) for numbers either. If all hiring comes from Envoy, then your date of hire at Envoy ensures your place on the AA-APA seniority list. The info comes from the same sources as everything else I've told you.

Take it for what it's worth. There are many more planes in the horizon than these 60/90. You can fully expect that they do plan Envoy to be 280-300 planes. That doesn't mean they won't give a few dozen away to other operators in the process. It will buy them time and punish you for a no vote.

My advice. Vote no. The long term gains outweigh the short term pains.

I think your MEC should have held their ground; but I do understand their reasons for what they did. It was a unique solution. It allowed them to send it for a pilot vote and lobby against it at the same time. Pretty smart actually. It also bought you guys three more weeks to hopefully realize the industry has changed; and you're in the pilots seat.

Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1610556)

^^^^ seems so. makes sense as to what has been mentioned in passing and that AAG has an order supposedly 250 e175's. NO vote wont hurt as much as the yes vote will.

Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1610495)

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You're missing their intent. The front door to AA will only be through Envoy. They'll take 60 a month from Envoy to fill classes, and Envoy will hire 60 a month continuously. They will hire from other regionals, but they'll be hired at Envoy. AA HR will do all pilot selection and hiring for Envoy. You get your date of hire for AA when you start at Envoy. Their pipeline program will also be expanded.

So, you can go fly for RAH and hope to be hired someplace after a few years; or you can get hired by AA starting at Envoy with your date of hire for AA starting right then at Envoy. You can then apply anywhere just like a RAH guy, or you can just transfer in seniority order to AA.




Mason, I have followed your post for a while. You have contributed good factual information in the past.

Is this rumors or factual information. Does voting yes or no, on the current TA, change any of their plans to hire to AA through envoy?




Your vote changes nothing. This is how they plan to staff the regional flying. Envoy will be the entry level position for AA. The company will not even need to negotiate with our guys (APA) for numbers either. If all hiring comes from Envoy, then your date of hire at Envoy ensures your place on the AA-APA seniority list. The info comes from the same sources as everything else I've told you.

Take it for what it's worth. There are many more planes in the horizon than these 60/90. You can fully expect that they do plan Envoy to be 280-300 planes. That doesn't mean they won't give a few dozen away to other operators in the process. It will buy them time and punish you for a no vote.

My advice. Vote no. The long term gains outweigh the short term pains.

I think your MEC should have held their ground; but I do understand their reasons for what they did. It was a unique solution. It allowed them to send it for a pilot vote and lobby against it at the same time. Pretty smart actually. It also bought you guys three more weeks to hopefully realize the industry has changed; and you're in the pilots seat.

Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1610424)

You're missing their intent. The front door to AA will only be through Envoy. They'll take 60 a month from Envoy to fill classes, and Envoy will hire 60 a month continuously. They will hire from other regionals, but they'll be hired at Envoy. AA HR will do all pilot selection and hiring for Envoy. You get your date of hire for AA when you start at Envoy. Their pipeline program will also be expanded.

So, you can go fly for RAH and hope to be hired someplace after a few years; or you can get hired by AA starting at Envoy with your date of hire for AA starting right then at Envoy. You can then apply anywhere just like a RAH guy, or you can just transfer in seniority order to AA.

Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1610657)

how would that work for those already at eagle, they are not getting a number with DOH?