View Poll Results: My vote on the TA was...
YES
47
24.48%
NO
90
46.88%
Did not vote
55
28.65%
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Eagle TA- What did you vote?
03-26-2014 | 09:21 AM
#243
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Your vote changes nothing. This is how they plan to staff the regional flying. Envoy will be the entry level position for AA. The company will not even need to negotiate with our guys (APA) for numbers either. If all hiring comes from Envoy, then your date of hire at Envoy ensures your place on the AA-APA seniority list. The info comes from the same sources as everything else I've told you.
Take it for what it's worth. There are many more planes in the horizon than these 60/90. You can fully expect that they do plan Envoy to be 280-300 planes. That doesn't mean they won't give a few dozen away to other operators in the process. It will buy them time and punish you for a no vote.
My advice. Vote no. The long term gains outweigh the short term pains.
I think your MEC should have held their ground; but I do understand their reasons for what they did. It was a unique solution. It allowed them to send it for a pilot vote and lobby against it at the same time. Pretty smart actually. It also bought you guys three more weeks to hopefully realize the industry has changed; and you're in the pilots seat.
Take it for what it's worth. There are many more planes in the horizon than these 60/90. You can fully expect that they do plan Envoy to be 280-300 planes. That doesn't mean they won't give a few dozen away to other operators in the process. It will buy them time and punish you for a no vote.
My advice. Vote no. The long term gains outweigh the short term pains.
I think your MEC should have held their ground; but I do understand their reasons for what they did. It was a unique solution. It allowed them to send it for a pilot vote and lobby against it at the same time. Pretty smart actually. It also bought you guys three more weeks to hopefully realize the industry has changed; and you're in the pilots seat.
This guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about.
03-26-2014 | 10:51 AM
#245
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Joined: Jan 2013
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I sincerely hope they haven't ordered 250 E175 aircraft. That would just mean more outsourcing to regionals and less mainline flying. To be honest a vote either way isn't going to change a damn thing concerning the regional model. We are insignificant red ink on a profit and loss statement, nothing more.
03-26-2014 | 10:55 AM
#246
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From: ATR72
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Originally Posted by Mason32
You're missing their intent. The front door to AA will only be through Envoy. They'll take 60 a month from Envoy to fill classes, and Envoy will hire 60 a month continuously. They will hire from other regionals, but they'll be hired at Envoy. AA HR will do all pilot selection and hiring for Envoy. You get your date of hire for AA when you start at Envoy. Their pipeline program will also be expanded.
So, you can go fly for RAH and hope to be hired someplace after a few years; or you can get hired by AA starting at Envoy with your date of hire for AA starting right then at Envoy. You can then apply anywhere just like a RAH guy, or you can just transfer in seniority order to AA.
Mason, I have followed your post for a while. You have contributed good factual information in the past.
Is this rumors or factual information. Does voting yes or no, on the current TA, change any of their plans to hire to AA through envoy?
Your vote changes nothing. This is how they plan to staff the regional flying. Envoy will be the entry level position for AA. The company will not even need to negotiate with our guys (APA) for numbers either. If all hiring comes from Envoy, then your date of hire at Envoy ensures your place on the AA-APA seniority list. The info comes from the same sources as everything else I've told you.
Take it for what it's worth. There are many more planes in the horizon than these 60/90. You can fully expect that they do plan Envoy to be 280-300 planes. That doesn't mean they won't give a few dozen away to other operators in the process. It will buy them time and punish you for a no vote.
My advice. Vote no. The long term gains outweigh the short term pains.
I think your MEC should have held their ground; but I do understand their reasons for what they did. It was a unique solution. It allowed them to send it for a pilot vote and lobby against it at the same time. Pretty smart actually. It also bought you guys three more weeks to hopefully realize the industry has changed; and you're in the pilots seat.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mason32
You're missing their intent. The front door to AA will only be through Envoy. They'll take 60 a month from Envoy to fill classes, and Envoy will hire 60 a month continuously. They will hire from other regionals, but they'll be hired at Envoy. AA HR will do all pilot selection and hiring for Envoy. You get your date of hire for AA when you start at Envoy. Their pipeline program will also be expanded.
So, you can go fly for RAH and hope to be hired someplace after a few years; or you can get hired by AA starting at Envoy with your date of hire for AA starting right then at Envoy. You can then apply anywhere just like a RAH guy, or you can just transfer in seniority order to AA.
Mason, I have followed your post for a while. You have contributed good factual information in the past.
Is this rumors or factual information. Does voting yes or no, on the current TA, change any of their plans to hire to AA through envoy?
Your vote changes nothing. This is how they plan to staff the regional flying. Envoy will be the entry level position for AA. The company will not even need to negotiate with our guys (APA) for numbers either. If all hiring comes from Envoy, then your date of hire at Envoy ensures your place on the AA-APA seniority list. The info comes from the same sources as everything else I've told you.
Take it for what it's worth. There are many more planes in the horizon than these 60/90. You can fully expect that they do plan Envoy to be 280-300 planes. That doesn't mean they won't give a few dozen away to other operators in the process. It will buy them time and punish you for a no vote.
My advice. Vote no. The long term gains outweigh the short term pains.
I think your MEC should have held their ground; but I do understand their reasons for what they did. It was a unique solution. It allowed them to send it for a pilot vote and lobby against it at the same time. Pretty smart actually. It also bought you guys three more weeks to hopefully realize the industry has changed; and you're in the pilots seat.
I voted no. I did my research, read the company bullet points and listened to both management and ALPA tele conference.
I just feel that a 10 year duration, plus the concessions that are tied to the TA is too much.
03-26-2014 | 12:36 PM
#247
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You're missing their intent. The front door to AA will only be through Envoy. They'll take 60 a month from Envoy to fill classes, and Envoy will hire 60 a month continuously. They will hire from other regionals, but they'll be hired at Envoy. AA HR will do all pilot selection and hiring for Envoy. You get your date of hire for AA when you start at Envoy. Their pipeline program will also be expanded.
So, you can go fly for RAH and hope to be hired someplace after a few years; or you can get hired by AA starting at Envoy with your date of hire for AA starting right then at Envoy. You can then apply anywhere just like a RAH guy, or you can just transfer in seniority order to AA.
So, you can go fly for RAH and hope to be hired someplace after a few years; or you can get hired by AA starting at Envoy with your date of hire for AA starting right then at Envoy. You can then apply anywhere just like a RAH guy, or you can just transfer in seniority order to AA.
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