View Poll Results: Would you support a part time pilot position?
Yes - I support this



20
16.39%
Yes - I support this and would stop flying full time



25
20.49%
Yes - I currently work in a field unrelated to aviation and am qualified



12
9.84%
Maybe - I would only support this for FO's, not Captains



9
7.38%
No - I am an airline pilot and do not support this



50
40.98%
No - I am a pilot but not for the airlines and do not support this



6
4.92%
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#41
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I support this fully, but voted maybe because I don't believe Captains should be part time.
I'd love to do it part time, so I could actually support myself with a much higher paying job that ironically has less responsibility and requires much less professionalism.
Either that, or the regionals need to start providing FOs with dorms, meals, laundry service and so on if they really want to treat it as a 'barely paid' internship.
We really don't need to pay more per hour, they just need to pay pilots for ALL the time they work, and not just when the door is closed. (yes, I realize I don't understand 121 pay, I just know my friends don't get paid when they are working for airlines, and they make dismal amounts of money).
I'd love to do it part time, so I could actually support myself with a much higher paying job that ironically has less responsibility and requires much less professionalism.
Either that, or the regionals need to start providing FOs with dorms, meals, laundry service and so on if they really want to treat it as a 'barely paid' internship.
We really don't need to pay more per hour, they just need to pay pilots for ALL the time they work, and not just when the door is closed. (yes, I realize I don't understand 121 pay, I just know my friends don't get paid when they are working for airlines, and they make dismal amounts of money).
#42
We really don't need to pay more per hour, they just need to pay pilots for ALL the time they work, and not just when the door is closed. (yes, I realize I don't understand 121 pay, I just know my friends don't get paid when they are working for airlines, and they make dismal amounts of money).
#43
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Remember this thread?
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...-you-back.html
There are lots of former airline pilots who are qualified with ATP and 1500 hours etc.. who would consider coming back but not for the current money. This might be a way to bring back experienced pilots.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...-you-back.html
There are lots of former airline pilots who are qualified with ATP and 1500 hours etc.. who would consider coming back but not for the current money. This might be a way to bring back experienced pilots.
How about allowing multiple bases wherever the airline has enough flights to justify satellite/virtual domiciles? Who wouldn't rather drive 15 or 20 minutes to work over commuting and driving or flying for 2, 3, 4 or more hours? I believe NetJets allows you to be based in multiple locations of your choice... At the very least, airlines should strongly reconsider some of their recently closed and extremely popular closed domiciles. If they want to attract and retain flight crews, bases such as SMF, SBA, MRY and SAN/CLD would be a huge incentive, and a huge cost savings on hotels and per diem at the same time!
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Done twice a year is $10,832 per pilot.
And don't forget the cost to keep the IP current (unless you are wet leasing the sim: higher hourly rate).
Also the ancillary costs of the pilot: drug testing, background checks, etc.
But let's stick with your 5k number:
Say the "average" hourly rate for a pilot is $70 (CA and FOs blended). 75 hours per month is pretty standard guarantee and totals 900 hours per year. IF the company were to pay 150% for every hour over 75, how man hours would that $5400 pay for? 155. That is the extra cost of overtime is $35/hour, $5400/35= 155. If the company only under staffs FOs, it might get twice that many hours. So, for the cost of training one part time FO, the company can drive three current FOs to 1000 hours. (Or in the case of some companies, offer a $5k hiring bonus and get a full time FO.) Where is the benefit to the company?
And don't forget the cost to keep the IP current (unless you are wet leasing the sim: higher hourly rate).
Also the ancillary costs of the pilot: drug testing, background checks, etc.
But let's stick with your 5k number:
Say the "average" hourly rate for a pilot is $70 (CA and FOs blended). 75 hours per month is pretty standard guarantee and totals 900 hours per year. IF the company were to pay 150% for every hour over 75, how man hours would that $5400 pay for? 155. That is the extra cost of overtime is $35/hour, $5400/35= 155. If the company only under staffs FOs, it might get twice that many hours. So, for the cost of training one part time FO, the company can drive three current FOs to 1000 hours. (Or in the case of some companies, offer a $5k hiring bonus and get a full time FO.) Where is the benefit to the company?
With 117 it would be difficult to "drive" anyone to 1000 hours because its all rolling....There is no more clean slate on Jan 1. The company isn't going to want a bunch of pilots bumping up on 1k hours every month, a couple weather days and the airline is shutdown from everyone timing out.
They'd also save on health care costs/retirement etc because a part time employee wouldn't be eligible. This could amount to a large savings.
SO anywho, I don't really see this happening any time soon, but to fully disregard it is a little shortsighted. Yea, 10 hours is a little ridiculous but I guarantee that there is a number(hours) that would make it work.
#46
I know i brought this up in the "what would it take to bring you back" thread.
I voted yes, but totally feel and understand the concern of current pilots so if it never happened I'd be perfectly ok with it. What I have seen are quite a few pilots (myself included) who'd love to fly 121, but won't do it for current rates...and likely wouldn't do it even with a pay bump.
I've gotten out of the biz, and have a pretty steady, very stable $90k/yr job that I couldn't imagine giving up just to say I fly a jet again. A lot of guys I work with have mentioned that same thing, that they'd happily give up a weekend or two a month to fly planes.
I think the unions would and should fight this tooth and nail. There is the possibility that it would attract pilots back to the profession who have no interest in making a full on career change...and might allow some current pilots a chance to explore other options, but it could immediately put the jobs of every pilot on property in jeopardy...
In order to minimize impact to the company, or make it more financially feasible, I'd imagine the company have a termination clause in the pilot's contract that requires employment for 3-5 years with no upgrade, and some type of minimal (if that) pay increases.
I voted yes, but totally feel and understand the concern of current pilots so if it never happened I'd be perfectly ok with it. What I have seen are quite a few pilots (myself included) who'd love to fly 121, but won't do it for current rates...and likely wouldn't do it even with a pay bump.
I've gotten out of the biz, and have a pretty steady, very stable $90k/yr job that I couldn't imagine giving up just to say I fly a jet again. A lot of guys I work with have mentioned that same thing, that they'd happily give up a weekend or two a month to fly planes.
I think the unions would and should fight this tooth and nail. There is the possibility that it would attract pilots back to the profession who have no interest in making a full on career change...and might allow some current pilots a chance to explore other options, but it could immediately put the jobs of every pilot on property in jeopardy...
In order to minimize impact to the company, or make it more financially feasible, I'd imagine the company have a termination clause in the pilot's contract that requires employment for 3-5 years with no upgrade, and some type of minimal (if that) pay increases.
#47
Okay I did some digging. Republic does not hire part time FA's, however they did have something called Guaranteed Low Time (GLT). From what I glean it's seniority based, 10% of lines are offered to GLT, and guarantee is 37 1/2 hours. I imagine it would work similar to this if pilots ever got it. And don't quote me on this but I believe they lose their pass benefits.
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Okay I did some digging. Republic does not hire part time FA's, however they did have something called Guaranteed Low Time (GLT). From what I glean it's seniority based, 10% of lines are offered to GLT, and guarantee is 37 1/2 hours. I imagine it would work similar to this if pilots ever got it. And don't quote me on this but I believe they lose their pass benefits.
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Okay I did some digging. Republic does not hire part time FA's, however they did have something called Guaranteed Low Time (GLT). From what I glean it's seniority based, 10% of lines are offered to GLT, and guarantee is 37 1/2 hours. I imagine it would work similar to this if pilots ever got it. And don't quote me on this but I believe they lose their pass benefits.
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