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View Poll Results: Would you support a part time pilot position?
Yes - I support this
20
16.39%
Yes - I support this and would stop flying full time
25
20.49%
Yes - I currently work in a field unrelated to aviation and am qualified
12
9.84%
Maybe - I would only support this for FO's, not Captains
9
7.38%
No - I am an airline pilot and do not support this
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40.98%
No - I am a pilot but not for the airlines and do not support this
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Old 03-21-2014 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by pagey
While it is a cost for sure I don't think recurrent is cost prohibitive to the point that this sort of thing is out of the question. 10 hours a month seems like a waste, but there is some point where it isn't. Is it 25 hours? 35 hours? Who knows. There is a number that would make sense though.

Also, your ONLY argument against this sort of thing is because "recurrent is too expensive"?

Recurrent isn't that expensive that it's out of the question, you are being dramatic.
Initial is quite expensive. No airline is going to devote scarce resources to recruit and train part time pilots. If I were to take a WAG I would say the break even number is around 50 hours a month which is a far cry from what the OP is proposing.
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Old 03-21-2014 | 09:16 AM
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I would say it's got to be AT LEAST 10K to keep a pilot current
I don't think it's close to that.

The sim is the major cost here. I don't know what the actual sim cost is, but lets just say its 1k/hour for grins.

I'm going to do some really backwoods math so bear with me here. I'll try to stay on the expensive side so we stay conservative.

Lets say 8 hours a year in the sim. 8k. We'll cut that in half since you'll have a partner in there with you. So there's 4k a year.

2, maybe 3 nights in a hotel at 150/night. 450/year.

Instructor for 8 hours divided by 2 for the partner again at 150/hour. 600/year.

Pilot hourly rate 100/hr for 8 hours. 800/year

perdiem at 2/hour for 8 hours. 16/year.

Grand Total. $5416/year.

Now that is at sim time being 1k per hour. I'd be willing to bet the actual cost for an airline to run the sim is less than that, especially if the own the sim themselves.

This is pure speculation of course and I could be not even close to the ballpark.
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Old 03-21-2014 | 09:19 AM
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Initial is quite expensive. No airline is going to devote scarce resources to recruit and train part time pilots.
Initial is for sure more expensive.

I think this is a more valid reason than your recurrent one but.....

How much does it cost an airline to cancel a flight? 5k? 10k? I don't know the answer but I'm sure it's up there.

At some point doing initial for part time employees could simply be cheaper than canceling a bunch of flights every day.

Again, there is a point where this would make sense. Some bean counter just needs to come up with the number.
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Old 03-21-2014 | 09:27 AM
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Plenty of airlines in other parts of the world such as Europe and Asia offer part time at 75% or 50% schedules. I have a friend at British Airways who flies maybe 6 days a month on a part time basis, and he still makes double what I do!
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Old 03-21-2014 | 09:37 AM
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Plenty of airlines in other parts of the world such as Europe and Asia offer part time at 75% or 50% schedules. I have a friend at British Airways who flies maybe 6 days a month on a part time basis, and he still makes double what I do!
75% and 50% schedules are a far cry from "2 days a month". Apples and oranges. I tried to give a serious reply in regards to reduced schedules but the OP only wants to fly around 10 hours a month. It's a fantasy.

I know nurses who work 1 week on/2 weeks off. I'm not saying the idea of flexible schedules is unheard of I'm just trying to bring the discussion back down to earth. The OP is proposing moonlighting a couple of days a month as an airline pilot. I can't think of a nicer way to say it just isn't going to happen.

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Old 03-21-2014 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by RV5M
Isn't this what a lot of senior pilots at the majors do already? Plenty of pilots (including captains) fly so little they have full time jobs on the side. No baby sitting required. Heck, one of the reasons I got into this is to have enough down time to pursue side interests.
EXACTLY!!

Two 4 day trips per month is enough for me! No babysitting required!
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Old 03-21-2014 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by exwaterski
I can't believe this is a serious topic. Are you going to foot the bill for your recurrent training cost to subsidize your hobby? Senior bidding RSV is as close as you're going to get to part time. Period.

P.S. I didn't vote in the poll because the idea is ridiculous. It doesn't matter if pilots are for or against because it doesn't make sense.
Makes sense if the airline can't hire enough full time pilots! A rather creative solution to some of the regional shortage.
Please think "outside the box" (apologies to LaQuinta ads).
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Old 03-21-2014 | 10:40 AM
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35-50 hrs a month would be more than enough for me and is much less than some reserve pilots pilots who are paid min guarantee! If the company can afford that, they certainly can afford part time pilots. It's a no brainer.

Consider the cost of a senior capt that bids reserve and rarely flies yet still is paid guarantee with full benefits.

The cost argument just doesn't wash.
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Old 03-21-2014 | 10:49 AM
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The military already does this with the Guard and Reserves. Full timers support the operation, and part timers fill in a few days a month. No issues with currency or recency, and you typically do an IOE to get you comfortable with the aircraft.

I think the key is to have a minimum and maximum amount of flight time each month, and an option to return to full time work when there is an opening.
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Old 03-21-2014 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30
Consider the cost of a senior capt that bids reserve and rarely flies yet still is paid guarantee with full benefits.

The cost argument just doesn't wash.
Because they are on reserve. That's what reserve is. Jeesh.

I'm just going to back off from this thread because I can see this is just going to keep going around in circles. Best of luck.
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