ATP Certification Training Program
03-23-2014 | 04:54 PM
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Clearly the FAA is pushing the burden of Airline Pilot training on the airlines themselves. There really is no other explanation. Airlines are basically in denial thinking the FAA will roll all this back as they are cancelling flights and inconveniencing passengers.
But I have heard from a post in the Eagle forum that there is no appetite to make any allowances to the rules by the FAA or Congress.
Once the first airline makes the move, the others will follow suit.
But I have heard from a post in the Eagle forum that there is no appetite to make any allowances to the rules by the FAA or Congress.
Once the first airline makes the move, the others will follow suit.
03-23-2014 | 05:41 PM
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Clarence, where do you get 30k? Think about it, you can get a 737 type for under 8k which involves a whole lot more classroom time and twice as much sim time.
03-23-2014 | 06:14 PM
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Except when you read the final rule published in the Federal Register it says the ATP training can not part of basic indoc, it has to be a separate program.
Clarence, where do you get 30k? Think about it, you can get a 737 type for under 8k which involves a whole lot more classroom time and twice as much sim time.
Clarence, where do you get 30k? Think about it, you can get a 737 type for under 8k which involves a whole lot more classroom time and twice as much sim time.
03-23-2014 | 06:20 PM
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What he meant to say was an airline cannot satisfy the requirements for this course via their current training program. It'll be required to offer the course, have the candidates take the written, then continue onto Indoc and aircraft specific stuff. Only another week added really.
Can anyone confirm this: Is the sim time based on a person acting as pilot flying, or can you count the total sim time if you're pilot monitoring? ( I.E 5 hours as PF, 5 hours as PM )
Based on what I read, all you need is 10 hours total in a sim. 6 hours in a level C or higher, and the rest can be in a FTD.
So you can split it between two people, 5 hours each..Which is only one long sim session..
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03-23-2014 | 07:47 PM
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Except when you read the final rule published in the Federal Register it says the ATP training can not part of basic indoc, it has to be a separate program.
Clarence, where do you get 30k? Think about it, you can get a 737 type for under 8k which involves a whole lot more classroom time and twice as much sim time.
Clarence, where do you get 30k? Think about it, you can get a 737 type for under 8k which involves a whole lot more classroom time and twice as much sim time.
03-23-2014 | 07:49 PM
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What he meant to say was an airline cannot satisfy the requirements for this course via their current training program. It'll be required to offer the course, have the candidates take the written, then continue onto Indoc and aircraft specific stuff. Only another week added really.
Can anyone confirm this: Is the sim time based on a person acting as pilot flying, or can you count the total sim time if you're pilot monitoring? ( I.E 5 hours as PF, 5 hours as PM )
Based on what I read, all you need is 10 hours total in a sim. 6 hours in a level C or higher, and the rest can be in a FTD.
So you can split it between two people, 5 hours each..Which is only one long sim session..
Can anyone confirm this: Is the sim time based on a person acting as pilot flying, or can you count the total sim time if you're pilot monitoring? ( I.E 5 hours as PF, 5 hours as PM )
Based on what I read, all you need is 10 hours total in a sim. 6 hours in a level C or higher, and the rest can be in a FTD.
So you can split it between two people, 5 hours each..Which is only one long sim session..
03-23-2014 | 08:14 PM
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What he meant to say was an airline cannot satisfy the requirements for this course via their current training program. It'll be required to offer the course, have the candidates take the written, then continue onto Indoc and aircraft specific stuff. Only another week added really.
Can anyone confirm this: Is the sim time based on a person acting as pilot flying, or can you count the total sim time if you're pilot monitoring? ( I.E 5 hours as PF, 5 hours as PM )
Based on what I read, all you need is 10 hours total in a sim. 6 hours in a level C or higher, and the rest can be in a FTD.
So you can split it between two people, 5 hours each..Which is only one long sim session..
Can anyone confirm this: Is the sim time based on a person acting as pilot flying, or can you count the total sim time if you're pilot monitoring? ( I.E 5 hours as PF, 5 hours as PM )
Based on what I read, all you need is 10 hours total in a sim. 6 hours in a level C or higher, and the rest can be in a FTD.
So you can split it between two people, 5 hours each..Which is only one long sim session..
C sims in the entire building. One is for the phenom and the others are the king airs.
03-23-2014 | 08:33 PM
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And I believe you need an ATP to fly 135 with Pax. Thats going to be interesting to see how 135 companies that send their pilots to 142 ops deal with this.
Also a lot of 135 jobs, even flying King Airs, perfer ATP's for insurance reasons.
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