ATP Certification Training Program
03-24-2014 | 08:22 PM
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Except when you read the final rule published in the Federal Register it says the ATP training can not part of basic indoc, it has to be a separate program.
Clarence, where do you get 30k? Think about it, you can get a 737 type for under 8k which involves a whole lot more classroom time and twice as much sim time.
Clarence, where do you get 30k? Think about it, you can get a 737 type for under 8k which involves a whole lot more classroom time and twice as much sim time.
This is going to be fun.
Jim
03-25-2014 | 04:09 AM
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Such a pointless program if this is the case.
03-25-2014 | 02:32 PM
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You raise some good points. See below.
Not true. Short answer is 1200 hours and SIC or autopilot in lieu of SIC. I have and currently fly 135 with pax and the FAA does not require an ATP; however, see below.
Prefer may work for some. But some 135 operations require ATPs to comply with state laws.
I left the 121 world to go back to flying air ambulances under 135. I work for a CAMTS (CAMTS | Anderson, SC 29625) certified company. CAMTS mandates higher mins than the FAA (including ATP for what normally would be a Commercial job), and some states require operators to be CAMTS to service their state. (How that works, a state superseding the federal government, is beyond my paygrade, but it happens)
Other certification groups also require ATPs.
The question is, what will these certification groups and the states do when ATPs become too expensive for an individual to pay for them.
Hopefully, my employer and similar companies will realize paying me a few thousand dollars more is cheaper than giving a new hire an ATP.
Not true. Short answer is 1200 hours and SIC or autopilot in lieu of SIC. I have and currently fly 135 with pax and the FAA does not require an ATP; however, see below.
Prefer may work for some. But some 135 operations require ATPs to comply with state laws.
I left the 121 world to go back to flying air ambulances under 135. I work for a CAMTS (CAMTS | Anderson, SC 29625) certified company. CAMTS mandates higher mins than the FAA (including ATP for what normally would be a Commercial job), and some states require operators to be CAMTS to service their state. (How that works, a state superseding the federal government, is beyond my paygrade, but it happens)
Other certification groups also require ATPs.
The question is, what will these certification groups and the states do when ATPs become too expensive for an individual to pay for them.
Hopefully, my employer and similar companies will realize paying me a few thousand dollars more is cheaper than giving a new hire an ATP.
03-26-2014 | 08:57 PM
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My opinion is that they aren't going to offer the training until they have to.
There will be a backlog of pilots who either already hold an ATP or have at least taken the written, and those pilots will get picked up first. Then the airlines struggling to get applicants will have to start offering the course the soonest, then finally the 'better' regionals if they can't get applicants. And, of course, they won't get immediate approval from the FAA for those courses when they do decide to start offering them. Also, I speculate this may prompt airlines to bring back training contracts.
Bottom line: if you are going to have 1500TT in the next two years it's probably a good idea to get the written done now.
There will be a backlog of pilots who either already hold an ATP or have at least taken the written, and those pilots will get picked up first. Then the airlines struggling to get applicants will have to start offering the course the soonest, then finally the 'better' regionals if they can't get applicants. And, of course, they won't get immediate approval from the FAA for those courses when they do decide to start offering them. Also, I speculate this may prompt airlines to bring back training contracts.
Bottom line: if you are going to have 1500TT in the next two years it's probably a good idea to get the written done now.
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