Eagle Pilots Vote No!
03-28-2014, 09:28 AM
#91
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
You haven't prevented a race to the bottom. AA will award flying to another Regional with much lower costs and no career progression.
That Regional will stumble over themselves to accept that flying. The pilots will pretend to be "reluctantly" performing those flights while really excited at flying an American Eagle E-175. Most if not all of your junior FOs will bail for these other Regionals who are getting the new flying. Your mid-level FOs will stagnate while junior Captains will displace back to FO.
So what have you accomplished, exactly? Had this been voted through you would have had AA on the hook for 170 aircraft MINIMUM which is far beyond any fleet guarantee that any Regional has.
If/When staffing became an issue AA would have had no choice but to raise first year pay.
So again, what have you accomplished? I know many of you are real giddy right now. It always feels good to poke management in the eye. But you need to realize the concepts of "unity" don't exist in the way you hope.
That Regional will stumble over themselves to accept that flying. The pilots will pretend to be "reluctantly" performing those flights while really excited at flying an American Eagle E-175. Most if not all of your junior FOs will bail for these other Regionals who are getting the new flying. Your mid-level FOs will stagnate while junior Captains will displace back to FO.
So what have you accomplished, exactly? Had this been voted through you would have had AA on the hook for 170 aircraft MINIMUM which is far beyond any fleet guarantee that any Regional has.
If/When staffing became an issue AA would have had no choice but to raise first year pay.
So again, what have you accomplished? I know many of you are real giddy right now. It always feels good to poke management in the eye. But you need to realize the concepts of "unity" don't exist in the way you hope.
The fact is that there aren't enough pilots being hired at any of the Regionals. Most of the big players are having to shrink to satisfy the flying demand they currently have with the majors. So while most would love to pick up the flying, they can't, not unless they get rid of smaller, less efficient aircraft. Kinda like Republic just did with their 140's - 145's. They had to give up 20+ frames so they can staff the new flying from AA.
Who will pick up all that Eagle flying? That airline does not exist, nor the pilots to staff it. Personally, I hope the entire Regional industry burns, and mainline has to get most of that flying back in house. And it's slowly moving in that direction finally. In a week you'll have about 10,000 Regional pilots who are sick of this free fall to the bottom.
What have we accomplished? Change, my friend, is what we're about to accomplish.
03-28-2014, 09:28 AM
#92
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
You haven't prevented a race to the bottom. AA will award flying to another Regional with much lower costs and no career progression.
That Regional will stumble over themselves to accept that flying. The pilots will pretend to be "reluctantly" performing those flights while really excited at flying an American Eagle E-175. Most if not all of your junior FOs will bail for these other Regionals who are getting the new flying. Your mid-level FOs will stagnate while junior Captains will displace back to FO.
So what have you accomplished, exactly? Had this been voted through you would have had AA on the hook for 170 aircraft MINIMUM which is far beyond any fleet guarantee that any Regional has.
If/When staffing became an issue AA would have had no choice but to raise first year pay.
So again, what have you accomplished? I know many of you are real giddy right now. It always feels good to poke management in the eye. But you need to realize the concepts of "unity" don't exist in the way you hope.
That Regional will stumble over themselves to accept that flying. The pilots will pretend to be "reluctantly" performing those flights while really excited at flying an American Eagle E-175. Most if not all of your junior FOs will bail for these other Regionals who are getting the new flying. Your mid-level FOs will stagnate while junior Captains will displace back to FO.
So what have you accomplished, exactly? Had this been voted through you would have had AA on the hook for 170 aircraft MINIMUM which is far beyond any fleet guarantee that any Regional has.
If/When staffing became an issue AA would have had no choice but to raise first year pay.
So again, what have you accomplished? I know many of you are real giddy right now. It always feels good to poke management in the eye. But you need to realize the concepts of "unity" don't exist in the way you hope.
Something like this suits you better:
03-28-2014, 09:28 AM
#93
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
Obviously, you don't. Like I said: you guys are calling a MAJOR bluff and it is all fun and games right now.
Lets see how you feel when the squeeze begins to really hurt. You may care a little more then.
Lets see how you feel when the squeeze begins to really hurt. You may care a little more then.
I won't bemoan or belittle any pilot group that receives these aircraft as long as they do not accept concessions to receive them. I was fully aware of this potential when I cast my vote.
The only roadblock that the pilot profession faces in the next few years is a lack of unity and people who think like you. If we can't get meaningful improvements to our current contracts, or AT LEAST maintain our status quo (which by the way is a concessionary contract and signed a little over a year ago,) in this current environment, than the industry is truly lost and we would all be better served to just get out and move on.
03-28-2014, 09:29 AM
#94
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
Obviously, you don't. Like I said: you guys are calling a MAJOR bluff and it is all fun and games right now.
Lets see how you feel when the squeeze begins to really hurt. You may care a little more then.
Lets see how you feel when the squeeze begins to really hurt. You may care a little more then.
03-28-2014, 09:31 AM
#95
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
The squeeze its being hurting for the last 3 years, a little more it's not a problem.
While that sucks and creates an air of uncertainty among the ranks, it is no where near a "squeeze".
Status Quo is what Eagle has been experiencing for the past 3 years which is hardly any kind of hurt. It makes you apprehensive, sure. But doesn't hurt.
I hope this gamble pays off. I really do. I just think you guys aren't seeing the reality of the situation.
03-28-2014, 09:36 AM
#97
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From another former AE guy, congratulations to the entire pilot group for having the collective fortitude to resoundingly vote NO to another concessionary contract proposal. Your MEC voted NO twice, but the company and other naysayers said "let the pilots vote, instead of letting the MEC dictate their desire to the plots." Well, you DID, and you voted overwhelmingly to reject the proposal. Kudos!
My feeling is RAH will send at least as strong a message.
My feeling is RAH will send at least as strong a message.
03-28-2014, 09:39 AM
#98
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In the future, the three successive no votes from XJet, Eagle, and soon to be RAH will be viewed as a turning point in the airline pilot profession. We are taking the leverage we finally know we have a forcing the regional airline model to change. I am very proud to be a part of this movement.
Enjoy the victory, but keep focused. Things may get harder before they get easier for all of us. With unity, we can continue to apply the pressure and make this a career worth having again.
Enjoy the victory, but keep focused. Things may get harder before they get easier for all of us. With unity, we can continue to apply the pressure and make this a career worth having again.
03-28-2014, 09:52 AM
#100
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
Obviously, you don't. Like I said: you guys are calling a MAJOR bluff and it is all fun and games right now.
Lets see how you feel when the squeeze begins to really hurt. You may care a little more then.
Lets see how you feel when the squeeze begins to really hurt. You may care a little more then.
Anyway, obviously it is a chance we're taking, but one made with eyes wide open.
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