so what your saying is... Eagle pilots should take it up the ass then.. got it.

Obviously, we don't care. If awarded to another company, they can have it.

Obviously, you don't. Like I said: you guys are calling a MAJOR bluff and it is all fun and games right now.

Lets see how you feel when the squeeze begins to really hurt. You may care a little more then.

Awesome! Good job guys and gals! The aviation community respects your decision!!!

- Guy who's never been in the regionals, but is tired of seeing the race to the bottom.

Oh thank you sir, may I have another. Time will tell if this flying can be staffed by others. By the time Eagle closes it's doors, the regional model will have decimated, and most everyone that wants to go will be at Jet Blue or better.

Good luck to you and your regional. I hope you stay there for life.

21 posts?? Shouldn't you scurry back to your cubicle, Mr. Management? As Eagle shrinks I would say there would be some belt tightening in the management ranks. Dust off your resume.

Skyvector, don't be a downer. Let them a have a minute to enjoy the overwhelming unity in this vote.
As for Mesa, our MEC chairman never said every man for himself.

The squeeze its being hurting for the last 3 years, a little more it's not a problem.

Management is the one that have the problem here. We already gave 43millions last year, no need to give away more.

You said before, they will have to raise the first year pay. Well with our contract if every other company raise FO pay, our pay goes up too. They wanted to eliminate that this time.

Is not acceptable. Sorry, short term pain to a long term gain.

Obviously, Eagle pilots knew what they were doing and I am sure they know the potential implications it could have. They voted NO, to help halt this downward spiral, now I can see a spineless little sky vector saying yes to anything as long as it benefits him. In fact, I see sky vector crossing a picket line if given the choice... You sir/madam are the ultimate tool box.


Great Job Eagle!

Even if someone accepts the flying, where will the pilots come from? We could take a bottom feeder regional in the UA system to accept the flying, but have you seen their performance numbers? A cheap operation translates into delays, cancellations, and poor performance. Simply look at the numbers for some of the UA feed operating on a margin and you'll see that.

If Republic continues the collective No Vote, then I believe we will have leverage on the table. There are other variables involved as well than simply another carrier taking the flying. Not all brand new regional FOs are enticed by SJS, some actually rather go to a place that has a better contract, pay rates, and perhaps a livable base if that is on the agenda.

Also in regard to FOs at other companies bailing for the bottom feeder with the new jets, their mgmt is also involved in self-preservation and will not simply wish to implode by an exodus. They will realize a pay raise is in order at this point.

Its about leverage. In any other industry, supply and demand work in a logical manner, however with the regional carriers it takes us sticking together in order to develop the leverage needed to expose supply and demand economics. If pilots continue to have Stockholm Syndrome and feel like mgmt paying them 35/hr to fly our friends and family on a CAT II approach, then we will continue to make garbage money. Realizing your self-worth is an important step in the right direction.

Pay freezes - including IAI - and an increase in health care for 60 new airplanes and a flow that could come to a halt for any reason? No way. The other low ballers can have it. My give a sh!t light bulb is blown.

Silly Management propaganda. You didn't count on social media keeping people so well informed about what's going on throughout the industry.

The fact is that there aren't enough pilots being hired at any of the Regionals. Most of the big players are having to shrink to satisfy the flying demand they currently have with the majors. So while most would love to pick up the flying, they can't, not unless they get rid of smaller, less efficient aircraft. Kinda like Republic just did with their 140's - 145's. They had to give up 20+ frames so they can staff the new flying from AA.

Who will pick up all that Eagle flying? That airline does not exist, nor the pilots to staff it. Personally, I hope the entire Regional industry burns, and mainline has to get most of that flying back in house. And it's slowly moving in that direction finally. In a week you'll have about 10,000 Regional pilots who are sick of this free fall to the bottom.

What have we accomplished? Change, my friend, is what we're about to accomplish.

Change your avitar to someone who displays your Debbie Downer attitude. Goose was always blindly optimistic.

Something like this suits you better:

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...17/okayguy.jpg

Trust me, we all realize the ramifications and the potential end result from this vote. I doubt there are even many no voters, who are "giddy", as you put it, right now. What we do realize is that we have done our part in a potential turning point in our industry when our companies are making record profits and struggling to staff their feed. If now is not the time to take a stand, then when will that time come?

I won't bemoan or belittle any pilot group that receives these aircraft as long as they do not accept concessions to receive them. I was fully aware of this potential when I cast my vote.

The only roadblock that the pilot profession faces in the next few years is a lack of unity and people who think like you. If we can't get meaningful improvements to our current contracts, or AT LEAST maintain our status quo (which by the way is a concessionary contract and signed a little over a year ago,) in this current environment, than the industry is truly lost and we would all be better served to just get out and move on.

You're in the top spot for TOTD! Congratulations!

Ever since AA declared bankruptcy in November 2011 Eagle has been ignored and kept in the dark about it's future.

While that sucks and creates an air of uncertainty among the ranks, it is no where near a "squeeze".

Status Quo is what Eagle has been experiencing for the past 3 years which is hardly any kind of hurt. It makes you apprehensive, sure. But doesn't hurt.

I hope this gamble pays off. I really do. I just think you guys aren't seeing the reality of the situation.

Good job and congrats Eagle!

From another former AE guy, congratulations to the entire pilot group for having the collective fortitude to resoundingly vote NO to another concessionary contract proposal. Your MEC voted NO twice, but the company and other naysayers said "let the pilots vote, instead of letting the MEC dictate their desire to the plots." Well, you DID, and you voted overwhelmingly to reject the proposal. Kudos!

My feeling is RAH will send at least as strong a message.

In the future, the three successive no votes from XJet, Eagle, and soon to be RAH will be viewed as a turning point in the airline pilot profession. We are taking the leverage we finally know we have a forcing the regional airline model to change. I am very proud to be a part of this movement.

Enjoy the victory, but keep focused. Things may get harder before they get easier for all of us. With unity, we can continue to apply the pressure and make this a career worth having again.

Congratulations Eagle pilots!

You're wrong. Believe me, they've made it crystal clear all along what the alternative is. We know that other regionals will take the flying, and that even if they have subsequent staffing problems, it will be awhile before those problems help us. We know all of that. And we said no anyway. Because somewhere this BS has to stop. And while our leverage isn't all-powerful right now, it is stronger than it has ever been. EXJ, EGF, and RAH all saying no right now is a pretty strong statement. Let's take a look at the industry in a year from now, when the first of the 175s we turned down are being delivered to Mesa or Compass or Piedmont or whoever. Let's see what the staffing situation is everywhere after another 1500+ regional pilots are hired at the mainline.

Anyway, obviously it is a chance we're taking, but one made with eyes wide open.

Ever since the NO vote at XJT, things have been miserable. Management has said nothing, but it seems they are going out of their way to make life crappy. They are finding every gray area in the contract and exploiting it, also downright ignoring the contract too. Cancelling vacations etc as well. They make sure the operation is a complete mess as well. It HAS to be on purpose as things are just blatantly ignored and stuff does not get fixed... even after three years of trying. Morale is horrible, but it will be well worth the pain in the end.

This is ridiculous. You are blowing your cover with these kind of statements, do you work in this industry? Please name one regional who has not been kept in the dark the last 4 years. All but a select few have been in "status quo" mode the last three years. It will stay like this as all regionals shrink and then eventually blow up. The vast majority of pilots in this industry only have to use empirical evidence to see that the whipsaw game is over, management lost. Are you sure you work in this industry as a pilot?

I think they are. They just are not willing to do the job for any less than they are already getting paid. It's called pride and self worth.

I'm hoping for the best. As a MIA Captain who upgraded two years ago I probably won't get displaced back to FO unless the crap really hits the fan. I worry more about absolute stagnation and others who probably will get displaced.

Either way, I hope this gamble pays off. It's not as simple as some of you make it out to be. There are a number of factors which have to come together for this to go even slightly our way. In the end, AA may come back with the same offer or a slightly worse one...at which point we vote it in anyway because of how horrible things have become.

At which point all of this will have been for naught. But again, I am hoping for the best right now. I have just as much to lose and gain as every other Eagle pilot at this point.

XJT MEC Alert
28 March 2014

ExpressJet Pilots Stand Proudly with the Pilots of American Eagle

Today the pilots of American Eagle voted against a concessionary contract by an overwhelming margin of 70%. The ExpressJet MEC would like to convey its support for their decision to join other pilot groups at Fee For Departure airlines who have resisted the downward pressure on pay, benefits, and work rules. All pilots must stand together during this challenging time. Your MEC will continue to support the American Eagle pilots. Only through unified action can we change the industry. Today is a continuation of our ongoing support for our brothers and sisters at American Eagle.

Good work Eagle guys and gals!

The pilots of XJT and Eagle, and soon hopefully RAH, have stated that we will not fund the fleet transitions that are going to happen with or without poor concessionary contracts.

No more Pilot Subsidized Airlines.

XJT MEC Alert

28 March 2014



ExpressJet Pilots Stand Proudly with the Pilots of American Eagle



Today the pilots of American Eagle voted against a concessionary contract by an overwhelming margin of 70%. The ExpressJet MEC would like to convey its support for their decision to join other pilot groups at Fee For Departure airlines who have resisted the downward pressure on pay, benefits, and work rules. All pilots must stand together during this challenging time. Your MEC will continue to support the American Eagle pilots. Only through unified action can we change the industry. Today is a continuation of our ongoing support for our brothers and sisters at American Eagle.

Skyvector is one of two things. 1) a management tool or 2) a PSA'er who's butt hurt that he's part of a pilot group that is weak and spineless. Pay him no mind.

Great job Eagle pilots! You had me worried there for a while, but I'm proud of you!!

I'm a Captain at Eagle. I would say I have much more at stake than you who is just shouting from the bleachers.

As such I'm entitled to my opinion just as much as every other Eagle pilot. If that makes you butt hurt it is not my problem.

New regional pilot motto:

Pay or Cancel

Um I would like you to ask how much it "doesn't hurt" all the LAX and SJU based employees. Ask them all how their lives were affected by that Best Option contract we were given. When I was face to face with the union and company representatives (our vp of ops) that "eagle will grow under this bankruptcy contract" and that " AA was to increase the flying at the LAX, MIA, and NYC bases. Let's take a look at what really happened. Oh it seems that LAX and SJU were closed within 6 months of that contract signing and the flying farmed out to someone else.
These things were told to us over a year ago, and now it's all the same. We were supposed to have a fleet plan when we signed the bk contract, when did we get that fleet plan? All sounds a little too familiar and smells like SH*T.
Sorry you won't get to AA any quicker Goose! Obviously you took managements advice and voted what's best for YOU.
I am not afraid to walk the street (again) from this place.
Time to shake your shiny jet syndrome.

Congrats to the rest who stood up for what you believe. I believe this is a great moment in our history. Don't let Debbie downer rain on your parade.

I totally get what you’re saying. It’s like rape? Why fight. Just sit back and enjoy it.

I'm sorry... Maybe I misread that. What do you have at stake here that is so much greater than the rest of us? I'm not in the bleachers. Im here with everyone else. There's no I in team, but theres a ME damnit!

I think that the majority of your colleagues are looking at the big picture. I wish I could have the same respect for my co-workers at Endeavor that I do for Eagle pilots right now.

My how times change! Just a few short months ago, i was told by the XJET mec that voting NO was useless as AE couldn't be counted on to support us and they would probably get more flying at XJT expense. 7,000 pilots now saying NO! Are you listening RAH?! We need you to stand up! Let's go for 10,000!

Why are all your posts (except 1, also not in MIA) from DFW area? If you're gonna come on here and sell crap, you'd better have it all together.

Because that's where I live.

I guess I don't get to have an opinion. I'm hoping for the best for us all...but go ahead and call/think of me what you want.

There’s always that 10 percent, or in this case 30. God bless America, you’ve been met at the ballot box. I wish you luck in the next vote. Not!

Silver deserves credit as well.