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04-29-2014 | 10:00 AM
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I'm not complaining as much as I'm calling out Gold on the fact that he says "I made 36k first year!" without actually giving anyone strategies for how to do that. I think he's lying to new hires or at the very least giving them unrealistic expectations.
04-29-2014 | 10:09 AM
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If you're going to make statements like that back it up with facts. If you can't back it up with facts then don't post them. No new hire cares about how much money YOU make per year your how great YOUR schedule is. They care about what steps you took in order to make that amount of money or adjust your schedule so they can learn how to do it themselves. If you can't provide information about how you do these things then you're either a management tool or just flat out lying to potential new hires.
I personally would be glad to help out new hires with bidding strategies or information on what does and does not work with PBS and trip trading.
Contrary to popular belief here on APC our contract that was ratified in 2013 was pretty good. Including EXCEPTIONAL scheduling language. Nothing in our contract changed with our most recent concessionary deal other than pay caps and in increase in insurance premium sharing.
I don't really know what else you would have him say.
04-29-2014 | 10:15 AM
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Then why don't captain upgrades take a hit on their pay rates when they transition to the left seat, in order to cover training costs? First year pay rates are low because the UNION negotiates it that way. They use the savings to make gains elsewhere in the pay scales for more senior pilots.
04-29-2014 | 10:45 AM
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He did back it up with facts and you continue to dog him.
Contrary to popular belief here on APC our contract that was ratified in 2013 was pretty good. Including EXCEPTIONAL scheduling language. Nothing in our contract changed with our most recent concessionary deal other than pay caps and in increase in insurance premium sharing.
I don't really know what else you would have him say.
Contrary to popular belief here on APC our contract that was ratified in 2013 was pretty good. Including EXCEPTIONAL scheduling language. Nothing in our contract changed with our most recent concessionary deal other than pay caps and in increase in insurance premium sharing.
I don't really know what else you would have him say.
I wasn't here before the increase in insurance cost but the health insurance is pretty good at PSA in my opinion, low premiums, low deductible and good coverage. My girlfriend works in the insurance industry and she agrees.
04-29-2014 | 11:05 AM
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My comments have nothing to do with PSA and everything to do with the fact that recruiters keep posting BS on this message board to attract new hires. If you had been at Skywest, Expressjet, Envoy or any other regional and said "I can adjust my schedule to make it perfect because of our contract!" or "It's possible to make $36k first year with our great contract!" but didn't back up your statements with facts I would have called you out just the same.
If you're going to make statements like that back it up with facts. If you can't back it up with facts then don't post them. No new hire cares about how much money YOU make per year your how great YOUR schedule is. They care about what steps you took in order to make that amount of money or adjust your schedule so they can learn how to do it themselves. If you can't provide information about how you do these things then you're either a management tool or just flat out lying to potential new hires.
I personally would be glad to help out new hires with bidding strategies or information on what does and does not work with PBS and trip trading.
If you're going to make statements like that back it up with facts. If you can't back it up with facts then don't post them. No new hire cares about how much money YOU make per year your how great YOUR schedule is. They care about what steps you took in order to make that amount of money or adjust your schedule so they can learn how to do it themselves. If you can't provide information about how you do these things then you're either a management tool or just flat out lying to potential new hires.
I personally would be glad to help out new hires with bidding strategies or information on what does and does not work with PBS and trip trading.
04-29-2014 | 11:21 AM
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04-29-2014 | 12:05 PM
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The bigger problem here is that Gold, and apparently others at PSA who voted in the piece of crap concessionary contract thinks $36,000 is a lot of money. THAT is the problem.
04-29-2014 | 12:21 PM
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Nope the problem is people working for a regional in the first place since the pay is across the board low. Every single person who works at one is guilty of it. And it won't change because ultimately, it's your best chance to get to a major carrier outside of the military.
04-29-2014 | 12:44 PM
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No one ever said 36K was a lot of money, it's not. Gold was just pointing out he's on track to gross that amount his first year. I read through his comments and he was not trying boast or state his opinion for that matter. I have a friend that went to skywest, during training he received 60 hours a month at $22/hr with no per diem and shared a hotel room. After training he spent the next 10 months on reserve not breaking guarantee and not flying a lot so not much per diem. He showed me what he made for that first twelve months, including perdiem it was 24K. If anything, what gold posted is more a comparison to other regionals first year pay.
04-29-2014 | 01:17 PM
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I don't understand how Psa contract allows guys to make a lot of money by not working a lot? Is that just going to be something that the leadership will be able to prevent in the future? Also things are good at psa now that you all are hiring like crazy and growing how great will the contract be when the company is properly staffed and the movement of pilots has slowed down? I ask the questions because I was at an airline when I could pick up reserve and make 6 hours of pay, when I could pick up trips at 200 percent. I made a lot of money until it all came crashing down. Please don't think I am hating on psa pilots at all but it is hard to hear guy talking about how great it is there when it APEARS they voted in a concessionary contract. Pilots are selfish by nature and behavior but we try to hide that by all of our talk as being united but when people vote in contracts that only benefit themselves it is hard to swallow.
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