I agree with what you said. Just to clarify my schedule; normally I can get a line with 90ish hours credit, 85ish hours block and 11-12 days off(junior line). After making adjustments(allowed per the contract) I will end up with about 70ish hours block, 105ish hours credit and 13-14 days off. Those numbers can be higher or lower depending on the adjustments made. Right now guys are getting lines within a month after completion of IOE. The company says we have 650+ pilots but in reality there are only about 450-500 "active" pilots.

 

Exactly, and as much as this guy is disliked in the industry, you have to give him credit for being honest.

 

You post about skywest because you're trying to help and inform others, just as I'm doing with PSA, get over it. In my previous post, I broke it down a little bit on monthly credit. The higher credit is a result of the contract, block time is still around 70-80 hours. Unproductive 4-days with 14-16 hours block can be turned into 24-28 hours credit with some adjustments. In initial training, perdiem is around $700-800/month(+75 hour guarantee). Again, I'm here to help, not to hate. If anyone has questions, feel free to pm.

 

What part of the contract? From everything I've read your contract was much better before. Please enlighten me as to how your new contract is better.

What adjustments? Your statements aren't 'enlightening' anyone. They're vague management BS that they feed you during the recruiting process. "You can make 'adjustments'" "you 'can' make 36k first year!" "We have a great contract."

You've made three posts now without actually saying a single thing. Give some specifics and paste relevant sections of your contract. Repeating "we have a great contract and my schedule rocks!" is nothing more that a bad recruiting tactic when you can't quote why it's great or what you're actually doing to achieve this.

 

Point of my post was to address the idea that it's "not that bad to make $36k your first year as an FO". One of my points was that a person usually has to work tons to get 100 hours of credit IF they are lucky enough to hold a line their first year. You are lucky for sure. And if you're getting 13-14 days off you're even luckier.
Also, once a 1st year FO gets used to that 100 hour credit paycheck it make it tough to go back to min guarantee because the pay is just toooo low to begin with. Imagine if you were on reserve and not making over guarantee. You would be speaking with a different tone as $21k per year is NOT enough and NOT ok. Most 1st year FO's aren't able to credit 100 hours per month as they are stuck on reserve for at least that long.

Your situation is on the rare side of the spectrum so don't forget that we can't lose sight of the entire picture. We can't justify $24 an hour.

 

PSA already voted to make $24/hour for the next 10 years. They're going to spend the next 10 years coming up with plenty of excuses in their own minds for why they're right and everyone else is wrong. Nothing to see here.

 

I suppose you're right. Can't fix stupid.

 

If someone is genuinely interested in PSA and how the contracts works, they can PM and I would be more than happy to help. There's no point in getting into the specifics when folks like yourself have to ******* all over the place when PSA is mentioned.

 

This is probably some of the best info I've gotten out of APC yet...appreciate all the perspectives. One thing that I have noticed with any/all of these threads -- they all turn into a "b&%^h" session! Good stuff though. Oh yeah, from an outsider looking in...never settle for less money because it's very hard to get it back when management see's you can do just fine without it. From what I can tell ALL of you regional guys deserve better pay and benefits than you're getting so keep pushing for more as you have been! (might help me out if I go this route too )

 

My comments have nothing to do with PSA and everything to do with the fact that recruiters keep posting BS on this message board to attract new hires. If you had been at Skywest, Expressjet, Envoy or any other regional and said "I can adjust my schedule to make it perfect because of our contract!" or "It's possible to make $36k first year with our great contract!" but didn't back up your statements with facts I would have called you out just the same.

If you're going to make statements like that back it up with facts. If you can't back it up with facts then don't post them. No new hire cares about how much money YOU make per year your how great YOUR schedule is. They care about what steps you took in order to make that amount of money or adjust your schedule so they can learn how to do it themselves. If you can't provide information about how you do these things then you're either a management tool or just flat out lying to potential new hires.

I personally would be glad to help out new hires with bidding strategies or information on what does and does not work with PBS and trip trading.