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12-27-2006, 09:04 AM
#21
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: FO dhc-6
Posts: 523
Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
I don't like them blaiming sleep for accidents they make. I could be a factor but I don't like them using them as scapegoats... However 6.5hrs is just fine.
you would think that the comair crash might spark some incentive in the FAA? no...i wonder how many more crashes they need?
12-27-2006, 09:39 AM
#22
Che Guevara
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
Originally Posted by hatetobreakit2u
6.5-minus .5 to the hotel .5 to the airport. 1.0 to get ready and eat breakfast .5 to actually fall asleep. now your down to 4 hours. add a little delay here or there wether it be buses and you have barely over 3 hours of sleep.
you would think that the comair crash might spark some incentive in the FAA? no...i wonder how many more crashes they need?
you would think that the comair crash might spark some incentive in the FAA? no...i wonder how many more crashes they need?
10 hour overnight after a 12+ hour duty day
30 mins to hotel
30 mins to check in, change, iron for next day
1 hour to get something to eat
30 mins to wind down
6.5 hours of sleep
30 mins to shower/dressed
30 mins for breakfast
30 mins to airport
30 mins to hotel
30 mins to check in, change, iron for next day
1 hour to get something to eat
30 mins to wind down
6.5 hours of sleep
30 mins to shower/dressed
30 mins for breakfast
30 mins to airport
12-27-2006, 09:43 AM
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: Airbus
Posts: 634
lets clarify a few things here:
first of all, i hate standup overnights
however, doing a standup / cdo is similar to working the night shift with a break in the middle for a quick nap. it ruins your circadian rhythm.
mesa provides one room on SHORT CDOs (<4 hrs) for the crew to hang out, instead of being in the airplane. on CDOs longer than 4 hrs individual rooms are given (obviously).
the public media fails to mention that most crews go home or back to the crashpad to sleep all day in preparation for the next standup. what really stinks is when they flip flop you and you transition from a night shift to day shift.
i think that standups shouldn't be allowed, they arent kosher. ALPA national needs to work to fight against such absurd scheduling.
there's my 2 cents, maybe that helps.
first of all, i hate standup overnights
however, doing a standup / cdo is similar to working the night shift with a break in the middle for a quick nap. it ruins your circadian rhythm.
mesa provides one room on SHORT CDOs (<4 hrs) for the crew to hang out, instead of being in the airplane. on CDOs longer than 4 hrs individual rooms are given (obviously).
the public media fails to mention that most crews go home or back to the crashpad to sleep all day in preparation for the next standup. what really stinks is when they flip flop you and you transition from a night shift to day shift.
i think that standups shouldn't be allowed, they arent kosher. ALPA national needs to work to fight against such absurd scheduling.
there's my 2 cents, maybe that helps.
Last edited by nwa757; 12-27-2006 at 09:44 AM. Reason: addition
12-27-2006, 12:01 PM
#24
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Spartan
Posts: 3,652
Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
That was already taken into account in the post i was referring to.
10 hour overnight after a 12+ hour duty day
30 mins to hotel
30 mins to check in, change, iron for next day
1 hour to get something to eat
30 mins to wind down
6.5 hours of sleep
30 mins to shower/dressed
30 mins for breakfast
30 mins to airport
I see 6 hours here...you don't take into account having to wait >30 mins for the van which has happened to me many times. Van service at the hotels may leave at certain times only. If you fall between goes, you're getting up earlier to catch the van. Now, do your math with a legal 8 hour reduced rest layover...
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