Sounds like a line I would say to one of my workers, it is also a lie. The CBA as a whole has a value attached to it. The individual pay rates are decided by the union. The union voted in a blended rate at Alaska for the 737's, Mesaba had a blended rate too.

From form 4 data:
DALPA contract: $1.900 billion / ~11000 pilots = ~$173K per pilot
SWAPA contract: $1.300 billion / ~5500 pilots = ~$236K per pilot

You are paid based on what you negotiate collectively. You stated you wish SWAPA would do some heavy lifting for the industry, what was that based on?

 

Based on typical Delta chest thumping now that they're finally making what the SWA guys have been making since the early 2000s.

Cue tsquare to give me a "history lesson" about their amazing pay rates back when most of us at the regionals were learning algebra. Save it - I get it - you made a lot back then. Then it was mismanaged out of your hands. Finally, you've got the train back on the tracks. Kudos. Only problem is, you've talked down to the industry the whole time, without any reason for doing so - other than your inflated egos.

Heavy lifting? Is that was 4-8-3-3 is to you?

 

More form 4 data:
SWA revenue 2013 = $17.69 billion / fleet size = $29.63 million, revenue per plane
DAL revenue 2013 = $37.77 billion / fleet size = $50.83 million, revenue per plane

The numbers speak for themselves guys!

 

T doesn't need my help, but I can't let this slide. Historically southwest was a major drag on industry contracts. From their inception they paid less, worked more, had no retirement, but had fun doing it. Sorta like my commuter days(much more fun then the grown up airlines). Lots of the early employees gambled on a start up and got lucky with stock. Even as recent as the late 90s(really pre 9/11) they were somewhere between a good regional and a major. It wasn't until the prison rape of ch11 that they exceeded our contracts(it was not any heavy lifting by swapa, it was the swipe of a pen by a judge). LUV has always had a cost advantage, whether it be labor costs(inception to legacy ch11), then fuel hedges, etc and I would never count them out. Now they don't and things appear to be turning more legacy like and it will be interesting. Will they allow a b or c scale small jet operation on property or will they allow that flying to be outsourced to a partner? They need to find a way to grow their revenues for Wall street. From talking to relatives and friends there the LUV is not lost yet, but is getting stale.

 

I think you're forgetting about a few hundred RJs there...

 

Don't try and use critical thinking on Mesabah. He's got it all figured out.

 

If the regionals do the majority of domestic flying, by departures, why do we permit mainline pilots to occupy our jumpseats while they continue to get raises and profit in cooperation with management to keep costs low and not fight to reign in scope and brand for more than half of domestic pilots? I mean if a mainline guy gets denied off a Commutair flight he can go cry into a bag of money, right?

 

Brilliant!

 

I would consider your argument if you actually posted any data, but I'm the only one doing that apparently.

 

With the butthurt going on here, one would think that no endeavor pilot's were getting hired. Seems not to be the case.

Copied from another thread.

Few stats through the end of next month.

576 through July including 105 return to work guys

60/40 Civilian to Military
45% Endeavor
30% Compass
12% Expressjet

569 New Captains since C2012.

72 a month ongoing