Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 1669722)

It’s not horsesh*t, a friend of mine loaded barges and ships for a top oil company, he always talked about the degenerates that worked those decks, constantly smelled like booze, stumbling around drunk, they would never have anybody that spoke English. They showed up with ships that were so rusty he could see through them. He refused to load several times due to the shape the equipment was in. The flag of convenience all started because of American shipping punitive liability cost, so the remedy is now if the ship leaks just don’t report it, IF it washes up on shore they’d never know who to blame. If they do catch us, O well surrender the ship and start over, good thing it’s registered in Liberia, less liability.



How would you feel about flying equipment so terrible that the FBO refused to fuel you, and you had to cancel the flight? Then the FBO would make the FSDO show up to do an airworthiness inspection so they could load you? Talk to the Coast Guard happens all the time with shipping. Have you ever flown a plane that was registered in Liberia and maintained under their law? What about a Liberian approved repair to the wing spar?

Originally Posted by DD214 (Post 1669146)

Hate it all you want but this is Capitlism and is how a free market society suppose to function. Let the market decide.

Originally Posted by Datsun (Post 1669548)

Understood. Thank you!

Originally Posted by slats fail (Post 1669650)

I think both sides make valid points here but its pretty ironic to see a bunch of mainline guys railing against this but be perfectly ok with the much bigger scam known as the regional whipsaw. I certainly don't supprt what NAI is trying to accomplish, but I can certainly can understand someone's reason for supporting it.
NAI must be defeated, and when it is we need to focus our energy on defeating the regional whipsaw. The real downward pressure on wages are the regional airlines masquerading as Delta Connection, United Express, and American Eagle, who now do approximately 50% of the domestic flying.
We are not entitled to mainline jobs, we've just been doing the job flying delta passengers in the same weather same airspace same airports, same same same for FAR LESS PAY. But dbags like MEmbrain have the nerve to say things like it has to be earned. We have earned it, we prove it everyday by flying YOUR passengers. Tell that to the 20 year Comair guy whose been forced to start over at the bottom of some other ****ball regional. We all want to earn our jobs at mainline, but stop telling guys who've been in the regionals for a decade or more after being whipsawed they've got to earn it. We get it. We need to pass an interview like everyone else, but stop acting like we don't do the exact same job.
I think congress should be addressing the issue of subcontractors impersonating real airlines. Should be illegal. If Delta sells tickets on a Delta flight, it should be flown on a Delta plane by Delta pilots period. Take the flying back!

Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1669726)

What I'm trying to get you to lay out is an example of how you see this would unfold in the US Airlines. Are you saying that because of the competition that a US based legacy carrier would be forced out of business and a foreign carrier would move in with foreign pilots? Or are you saying the big legacy carrier continues to exist but has no US based pilots?

I'm asking you and a few others who have commented to explain it in a scenario but all I get is comments like "lookup maritime" or "review past history" or "I don't have the time to explain it" kinds of answers.

Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 1669744)

Its because their beating you to the punch. The business model, or labor model is moot. No one thinks FoC means that company wont make money. A FoC means 3rd world safety standards in this country with no control. That above all is the larger risk.

What would happen is NAI or some other company would run the most traveled routes. Abuse the design limits ie overload, remove safety equipment, have 1 flight attendant, add seats, run to many cycles on engine and airframe, paint over cracks, feed everyone MREs so they become constipated, remove the bathrooms, add seats, allow seat sharing, remove seats for standing fares, use counterfeit parts, haul hazardous cargo labeled non-hazardous, get behind on paying landing fees and PFC's, force FAA and airports to sue to collect, force flight crew to work 18 days and pad logs, issue no-doze to pilots, not waste training time on pilots for emergencys that wont happen, evade basic corporate taxes, offer IPO and dump shares, parade topless FAs in business class, offer prostitution in 1st class w/ cocaine.

Announce that big greedy unions wanting $250,000 a year are the reason that American company's failed, and reference rust belt and UAW.

Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 1669744)

.... A FoC means 3rd world safety standards in this country with no control. That above all is the larger risk.

Originally Posted by slats fail (Post 1669650)

I think both sides make valid points here but its pretty ironic to see a bunch of mainline guys railing against this but be perfectly ok with the much bigger scam known as the regional whipsaw. I certainly don't supprt what NAI is trying to accomplish, but I can certainly can understand someone's reason for supporting it.
NAI must be defeated, and when it is we need to focus our energy on defeating the regional whipsaw. The real downward pressure on wages are the regional airlines masquerading as Delta Connection, United Express, and American Eagle, who now do approximately 50% of the domestic flying.
We are not entitled to mainline jobs, we've just been doing the job flying delta passengers in the same weather same airspace same airports, same same same for FAR LESS PAY. But dbags like MEmbrain have the nerve to say things like it has to be earned. We have earned it, we prove it everyday by flying YOUR passengers. Tell that to the 20 year Comair guy whose been forced to start over at the bottom of some other ****ball regional. We all want to earn our jobs at mainline, but stop telling guys who've been in the regionals for a decade or more after being whipsawed they've got to earn it. We get it. We need to pass an interview like everyone else, but stop acting like we don't do the exact same job.
I think congress should be addressing the issue of subcontractors impersonating real airlines. Should be illegal. If Delta sells tickets on a Delta flight, it should be flown on a Delta plane by Delta pilots period. Take the flying back!

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1669513)

You're paid like that because that's the price to go over there and do that.

Does anyone here really think that they will benevolently pay glorious wages in the states out of the good of their hearts? You'd better not.

All it would do is force the bar even lower were they to be allowed in here.