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Originally Posted by Farmlover
(Post 1669528)
I say let these guys come in. In fact I sent emails telling my representatives about how poor the us carriers treat us. Maybe delta will wake up and not step on us so badly.
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Originally Posted by CRM114
(Post 1669546)
OK you got me, I'm obviously no match for your superior intellect. I won't waste you time so you can get back to what ever you Riddle grad IT hacks do. All this time I thought you were actually a (working) pilot. My bad.
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Originally Posted by tom11011
(Post 1669324)
Pilots eat their own. That's why we have regional airlines in the first place. This job shouldn't even exist. It exists because a bunch of senior pilots sat around the negotiating table one day and told management "We need the most senior pilots to earn $300,000 per year". Management said "ok we'll do that, but then we need the most junior pilots to earn $20,000 per year". The senior pilots at the table paused for a moment. About 30 seconds went by and one of the pilots said "We can live with that". All the other pilots at the table nodded their head in agreement.
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Originally Posted by tom11011
(Post 1669590)
Quit back-peddling and present your case. Don't be one of those guys who changes their tactics to personal attacks when they can't support their argument.
As for "my case" (whatever that means) everything I've mentioned is easily available for those who want to read a little history. As for a personal attack, are you not an ERAU grad who works in IT and is not a working airline pilot or not? |
I think both sides make valid points here but its pretty ironic to see a bunch of mainline guys railing against this but be perfectly ok with the much bigger scam known as the regional whipsaw. I certainly don't supprt what NAI is trying to accomplish, but I can certainly can understand someone's reason for supporting it.
NAI must be defeated, and when it is we need to focus our energy on defeating the regional whipsaw. The real downward pressure on wages are the regional airlines masquerading as Delta Connection, United Express, and American Eagle, who now do approximately 50% of the domestic flying. We are not entitled to mainline jobs, we've just been doing the job flying delta passengers in the same weather same airspace same airports, same same same for FAR LESS PAY. But dbags like MEmbrain have the nerve to say things like it has to be earned. We have earned it, we prove it everyday by flying YOUR passengers. Tell that to the 20 year Comair guy whose been forced to start over at the bottom of some other ****ball regional. We all want to earn our jobs at mainline, but stop telling guys who've been in the regionals for a decade or more after being whipsawed they've got to earn it. We get it. We need to pass an interview like everyone else, but stop acting like we don't do the exact same job. I think congress should be addressing the issue of subcontractors impersonating real airlines. Should be illegal. If Delta sells tickets on a Delta flight, it should be flown on a Delta plane by Delta pilots period. Take the flying back! |
Originally Posted by CRM114
(Post 1669603)
You have no skin the game, why would I waste my time on you.
As for "my case" (whatever that means) everything I've mentioned is easily available for those who want to read a little history. As for a personal attack, are you not an ERAU grad who works in IT and is not a working airline pilot or not? |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 1669596)
You just made that up. It did not happen like that.
I think there is 2 ways to look at this. 1.) On one hand it could be argued this B scale is a dues paying investment. If you are fortunate enough to make it out of the regionals, your reward awaits you. But until that time, you are not a member of the club yet. If you languish too long at the regional, management wants you out on the street after a period of time because you cost too much. 2.) On the other hand, it could be argued that regional airlines should stand alone, with better pay, benefit, and qol at the expense of those at the top, a flattening of pay scales to give those at the bottom a little more to bring them out of poverty. This model gives a future to lifers. I think if you believe in ALPA, method 1 suites you. But if you believe in the latter, maybe a separate regional airline union is the way to go. |
I love how people say a major job is earned, implying that a regional job is not. As if I could take a homeless guy off the street, and put him in a regional jet, while NASA astronauts need to be screened for undesirables if you put one more seat on an RJ.
The argument is really about pay; Major airline pilots want the stuff that outsourcing provides them. |
Let me get this straight.
The OP started flying post 9/11 and probably only had to have 250-500 hours to get a regional job. Didn't have to have the 1200/200 or 1500/300 that was required prior to 9/11 or live through that stagnation and now your mad that you haven't made more money or made it to the majors? Why don't you just admit you failed to investigate the industry and what you could expect instead of blaming others or looking for a quick fix. |
Originally Posted by tom11011
(Post 1669425)
Again, lay out the logistics of how exactly this would work. Don't give me some vague horsesh*t about US Maritime.
How would you feel about flying equipment so terrible that the FBO refused to fuel you, and you had to cancel the flight? Then the FBO would make the FSDO show up to do an airworthiness inspection so they could load you? Talk to the Coast Guard happens all the time with shipping. Have you ever flown a plane that was registered in Liberia and maintained under their law? What about a Liberian approved repair to the wing spar? |
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