Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 1669455)

Not my job to spoon feed you, but I will wish you good luck prodding your way through life while ignoring the lessons history offers.

Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 1669528)

I say let these guys come in. In fact I sent emails telling my representatives about how poor the us carriers treat us. Maybe delta will wake up and not step on us so badly.

Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1669519)

Have you ever looked at or taken a cruise? If you have, you will see that nearly all cruise ships are operated under Panamanian, Liberian, or other registry. How many of those who work those ships are paid at US Merchant Marine rates?

Short answer: almost none. Maybe the Master and the First officer, but the rank and file, not even close.

Why? Because crap wages here in the US are darn good wages in these other countries.

Don't believe me? Look at the rates for the airlines that are actively seeking US pilots and compare them to comparable US jobs. Forget Emirates, they are looking for the cream of the crop and don't care where they come from. Look at the borderline companies, or the ones that have perpetual adds on the 350 etc. Same equipment for lower wages in they US. They make sense because there is a huge tax break for ex pats.

I was head hunted by an Australian Saab operator. They were willing to pay me 40% more.... But I would have needed to live in Sydney. After figuring the cost of living, I would have lost money... and I WANTED to take some time down under. And they paid far less than other Saab operators in Australia.... kinda the Colgans of the down under.

Still don't get it?

Okay, I'll try another tack.

Why is it when you call customer support for something you bought in the US, you get a guy who calls himself Fred who has a distinctly Hindi accent? No guesses??? Short answer, "Fred" can make twice what his brethren make by working from 9pm local to 0500 local answering calls from folks in the US calling during business hours. And he is still cheaper that having US folks working from 9am to 5pm.

Still don't get it?

Auto industry. Auto workers in the US in the 70s-80s were paid a very reasonably wage. Then the US market collapsed. Why? Because Asians thought $7 an hour was living high on the hog. (Funny thing is now the Japanese are running into pay issues versus the Koreans)

Final thought. Foreign airlines are willing to pay "Big Bucks" to drag US folks FROM THEIR CONTINENT to work. Why? Because the rates they are paying are not great enough to attract the locals.

Think about that.

Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1669531)

What a con artist you are. You can't layout a case, so you dribble on about history all the while pretending your position in the argument is superior. You've been caught pretending you know something, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1669520)

They have green slip flying at delta, it's similar to open time pickup/save a junior man, which, pays double time.

Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1669204)

How about you and the rest of the 18,000 regional pilots do what we have already done....... interview and EARN your position at a major vs. having a job at a major handed to you. You are a perfect example of the entitlement generation at it's finest.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1669513)

You're paid like that because that's the price to go over there and do that.

Does anyone here really think that they will benevolently pay glorious wages in the states out of the good of their hearts? You'd better not.

All it would do is force the bar even lower were they to be allowed in here.

Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 1669528)

I say let these guys come in. In fact I sent emails telling my representatives about how poor the us carriers treat us. Maybe delta will wake up and not step on us so badly.

Originally Posted by CaptainNameless (Post 1669557)

The argument is not that the bar would be lowered. That is a given. The argument here is that the lowest NAI bar is still going to be higher than the highest regional bar. And if the U.S. majors (ALPA+pilots+management) choose to collude and offer little more than 20 years of never-ending whipsaws and concessions to regional ghetto dwellers, then fine. That's where we are today.

If NAI=50% of the career we (regional gulag pilots) had been hoping for at a U.S. major then it is still better than the 25% we have had up to now. If there is career damage at the upper levels of U.S. majors, oh well. Gotta grab the best money that is within reach, even if you have to step on someone to get it. Sound familiar?