ASA MEC update regarding XJT MEC

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07-13-2014, 01:43 PM

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You would be voting in concessions for 2/3 of our pilots just to help shut us down and you get to live another day. That's worse than PSAing us. But like I said, I'll gladly take that sword instead of stooping to that level.

Good, cant help you dude. I got to do what's best for my pilot group, not yours. Our pilots will still not take a pay cut to do the same job and I'm certainly not falling on a sword for you. You want to call it PSA? I don't care. You're Comair. Seeya.

AnchorDown

Like I said, I commend you for at least admitting to your tactics even though both MECs have already previously agreed to a process to get to one PBS. But go ahead and Comair us and stand proud side by side with the likes of PSA and the original Freedom and gojets.

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ASA pilots have grown tired of the XJT children and are going to do what is in their best interests.

Why? Just because the ASA MEC doesn't want to use the process both MECs have already previously agreed to in order to get to one PBS system?

07-13-2014, 01:50 PM

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To me it seems like a very small bone to throw to the side who is taking the brunt of the concessions management wants us to take.

Nevets, if you think that the selection of a PBS vendor is a "small bone" to be thrown around like a parting gift, then you need to solicit input from PBS-using pilots at several different airlines and listen real good! I'll tell you to be very wary of any globalized or optimized solution. Just as important, make sure that you have crystal clear language regarding parameters, premium pay, pairing construction, and transparency in any accompanying contract language.

07-13-2014, 02:27 PM

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Jefferson

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"outdated airframes on an outdated contract with an outdated mentality."

07-13-2014, 03:07 PM

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"outdated airframes on an outdated contract with an outdated mentality."

just wanted to add, "and no money."

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07-13-2014, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevets

Our contract is not a money loser. The CPA that management negotiated is the money loser. But go ahead and PSA us if you want. I'm fine with not being part of a pilot group associated with those tactics. I'll gladly fall on my sword if it comes to that. You can have your PSA type tactics.

well said, been talking like for years.

07-13-2014, 03:39 PM

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To me it seems like a very small bone to throw to the side who is taking the brunt of the concessions management wants us to take.

Nevets, if you think that the selection of a PBS vendor is a "small bone" to be thrown around like a parting gift, then you need to solicit input from PBS-using pilots at several different airlines and listen real good! I'll tell you to be very wary of any globalized or optimized solution. Just as important, make sure that you have crystal clear language regarding parameters, premium pay, pairing construction, and transparency in any accompanying contract language.

I dont disagree. But in comparison to the laundry list of concessions that management wants from the ERJ side, a process (which has been previously agreed to by both MEC) to choose a single PBS is just a bone.

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"outdated airframes on an outdated contract with an outdated mentality."

Fifty seat jets are outdated. What's your point? And why is our contract outdated? Because it's the best in the industry? Do you guys even listen to what you say? Or are you management? Because you are saying EXACTLY the same things!

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"outdated airframes on an outdated contract with an outdated mentality."

just wanted to add, "and no money."

AnchorDown

This is absurd! As long as management is paying for two sets of management personnel, two sets of office staff, two sets of facilities for SOC, two sets of systems management, two sets of EVERYTHING, there will always be money on the table! Why should we sacrifice money out of our compensation so that management can spend it on two VPs of everything?! And for what? So that they can perpetuate this whipsaw?

You guys are talking crazy.

07-13-2014, 03:55 PM

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Where did ASA break the PBS process agreement? Comair had the best in the industry too, which is how you got your 2004 Contract, how they doin?

Hey don't worry, I'll be sure to mention you after you've fallen on your sword. Can't wait really. You'll be the greatest pilot martyr of all time.

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07-13-2014, 03:59 PM

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You can't wait for LXJT to fall on a sword. How about you just vote yes or no, and stop wishing harm on other pilots. I know you're the small minority that thinks that way but it's sad to read.

07-13-2014, 04:07 PM

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You can't wait for LXJT to fall on a sword. How about you just vote yes or no, and stop wishing harm on other pilots. I know you're the small minority that thinks that way but it's sad to read.

I didn't know I was God? Thank you. Whatever I wish, guess what? I have no control over. You want me to stop wishing nevets fall on his sword? Cuz that's who I'm talking to. Didn't know I was in a conversation with you?

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07-13-2014, 05:08 PM

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After readng the thread about this on the pipe, I believe there is NO way this merger can work. One of the ASA guys stated his/her opinion on flightline and all the name calling and bashing of him/her is pathetic. If that is an adequate representation of that pilot group then I want nothing to do with them!