ASA MEC update regarding XJT MEC
07-13-2014, 08:34 AM
#11
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I have no objections to using an agreed-upon process to figure out which PBS system we are going to use.
When it comes to retirement plans and the OJI bank are concerned, I'd ask if United, Delta, or American has the same sort of deal. If this is something that all the majors have, then I would be hard-pressed to give it up. However, if on the other hand L-XJT is the only airline out there with these kinds of benefits and Skywest Airlines, Republic, and Eagle(Envoy) or even the majors are not actively negotiating for these benefits, then I would call these items unsustainable.
When it comes to retirement plans and the OJI bank are concerned, I'd ask if United, Delta, or American has the same sort of deal. If this is something that all the majors have, then I would be hard-pressed to give it up. However, if on the other hand L-XJT is the only airline out there with these kinds of benefits and Skywest Airlines, Republic, and Eagle(Envoy) or even the majors are not actively negotiating for these benefits, then I would call these items unsustainable.
07-13-2014, 08:42 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by berge7f9
I have no objections to using an agreed-upon process to figure out which PBS system we are going to use.
When it comes to retirement plans and the OJI bank are concerned, I'd ask if United, Delta, or American has the same sort of deal. If this is something that all the majors have, then I would be hard-pressed to give it up. However, if on the other hand L-XJT is the only airline out there with these kinds of benefits and Skywest Airlines, Republic, and Eagle(Envoy) or even the majors are not actively negotiating for these benefits, then I would call these items unsustainable.
When it comes to retirement plans and the OJI bank are concerned, I'd ask if United, Delta, or American has the same sort of deal. If this is something that all the majors have, then I would be hard-pressed to give it up. However, if on the other hand L-XJT is the only airline out there with these kinds of benefits and Skywest Airlines, Republic, and Eagle(Envoy) or even the majors are not actively negotiating for these benefits, then I would call these items unsustainable.
So who should be complaining here?
07-13-2014, 09:28 AM
#14
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Originally Posted by Nevets
And the XJT MEC voted to send a TA that got rid of the B Fund, and the OJI bank, and no excused sick calls, and reduced 401k matching, and reduced per diem, and reduced sick accrual, and more costly health insurance, and less valuable LTD, and to give us check in, and reassignment windows, and ACARS reassignments, and PBS.
So who should be complaining here?
So who should be complaining here?
AnchorDown
07-13-2014, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by AnchorDown
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Originally Posted by Nevets
And the XJT MEC voted to send a TA that got rid of the B Fund, and the OJI bank, and no excused sick calls, and reduced 401k matching, and reduced per diem, and reduced sick accrual, and more costly health insurance, and less valuable LTD, and to give us check in, and reassignment windows, and ACARS reassignments, and PBS.
So who should be complaining here?
Expressjet is OUT OF MONEY. No more. Time to cut you loose. Your contract is not sustainable, it's a horrible money loser. So you should be fine with that. The ASA MEC is looking out for ASA pilots, not LXJTs. Happy sword falling!
AnchorDown
Originally Posted by Nevets
And the XJT MEC voted to send a TA that got rid of the B Fund, and the OJI bank, and no excused sick calls, and reduced 401k matching, and reduced per diem, and reduced sick accrual, and more costly health insurance, and less valuable LTD, and to give us check in, and reassignment windows, and ACARS reassignments, and PBS.
So who should be complaining here?
Expressjet is OUT OF MONEY. No more. Time to cut you loose. Your contract is not sustainable, it's a horrible money loser. So you should be fine with that. The ASA MEC is looking out for ASA pilots, not LXJTs. Happy sword falling!
AnchorDown
07-13-2014, 09:33 AM
#16
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Our contract is not a money loser. The CPA that management negotiated is the money loser. But go ahead and PSA us if you want. I'm fine with not being part of a pilot group associated with those tactics. I'll gladly fall on my sword if it comes to that. You can have your PSA type tactics.
AnchorDown
07-13-2014, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AnchorDown
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Our contract is not a money loser. The CPA that management negotiated is the money loser. But go ahead and PSA us if you want. I'm fine with not being part of a pilot group associated with those tactics. I'll gladly fall on my sword if it comes to that. You can have your PSA type tactics.
Good, cuz it's going to come to that. PSA took concessions, ASA has NEVER taken concessions. Has Legacy? Let me grab that sword, so you can hurl yourself on it.
AnchorDown
Originally Posted by Nevets
Our contract is not a money loser. The CPA that management negotiated is the money loser. But go ahead and PSA us if you want. I'm fine with not being part of a pilot group associated with those tactics. I'll gladly fall on my sword if it comes to that. You can have your PSA type tactics.
Good, cuz it's going to come to that. PSA took concessions, ASA has NEVER taken concessions. Has Legacy? Let me grab that sword, so you can hurl yourself on it.
AnchorDown
07-13-2014, 12:56 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by Nevets
You would be voting in concessions for 2/3 of our pilots just to help shut us down and you get to live another day. That's worse than PSAing us. But like I said, I'll gladly take that sword instead of stooping to that level.
AnchorDown
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