Next Stage of Desperation in the Regionals
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ok will do, wasn't sure what i was doing wrong .... i thought because of the amount of resume's they receive, that listing all would give me a legup... thanks for the advice ! that's why i posted
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just like when they spend more money by hiring foreign nurses i.e. bonuses, free tickets back to their home country etc.
here is my 2 cents on "pilot shortage"
i sent my resume' 3 times to silver airways (to hr email address) and never even got an acknowledgement. last month i sent her another email asking for a simple reply just to know that the email address was good or perhaps i needed to apply online thru their website etc... again nothing. come on, silver is offering 12 grand in bonuses and they dont reply?
yesterday i saw "empire airlines" (never heard of them) were looking for atr pilots throughout the country. well shreveport is cheaper to live in than newark ha ha so i applied for that position and i got back an email the next day saying that upon careful consideration they will be interviewing more qualified candidates. (it was just a cut and paste rejection form) wow you would think they certainly would be looking for pilots ! i have also sent resumes to other parts of the world... macau, hong kong, tajikistan, asghanistan, taiwan etc where supposedly they are hurting for pilots and so far nobody has even replied bothered to acknowledge receipt of emails. the only job offers i get are for flight instructors. so i guess im good enough to teach people to fly for an airline but not good enough to fly in an airline myself there are 200,000 faa licensed pilots with an atp or commercial and more than 1500 hours with a first class medical or could get a 1st class medical and there are roughly 66,000 pilot positions at the airlines. thats 3 pilots for every job. the airlines say they will be hiring roughly 4000 pilots year and 8000 new atp licenses were issued last year ! after my recent experience in searching for an airline job i really dont see a shortage or lack of pilots. btw i hold an faa atp sel ses mel mes, b737 ce500 a320, flight dispatcher, agi igi, cfi me ia, flight navigator and flight eng turbojet written passed, 2800 total 104 me, 1st class medical, secret security clearance etc etc
here is my 2 cents on "pilot shortage"
i sent my resume' 3 times to silver airways (to hr email address) and never even got an acknowledgement. last month i sent her another email asking for a simple reply just to know that the email address was good or perhaps i needed to apply online thru their website etc... again nothing. come on, silver is offering 12 grand in bonuses and they dont reply?
yesterday i saw "empire airlines" (never heard of them) were looking for atr pilots throughout the country. well shreveport is cheaper to live in than newark ha ha so i applied for that position and i got back an email the next day saying that upon careful consideration they will be interviewing more qualified candidates. (it was just a cut and paste rejection form) wow you would think they certainly would be looking for pilots ! i have also sent resumes to other parts of the world... macau, hong kong, tajikistan, asghanistan, taiwan etc where supposedly they are hurting for pilots and so far nobody has even replied bothered to acknowledge receipt of emails. the only job offers i get are for flight instructors. so i guess im good enough to teach people to fly for an airline but not good enough to fly in an airline myself there are 200,000 faa licensed pilots with an atp or commercial and more than 1500 hours with a first class medical or could get a 1st class medical and there are roughly 66,000 pilot positions at the airlines. thats 3 pilots for every job. the airlines say they will be hiring roughly 4000 pilots year and 8000 new atp licenses were issued last year ! after my recent experience in searching for an airline job i really dont see a shortage or lack of pilots. btw i hold an faa atp sel ses mel mes, b737 ce500 a320, flight dispatcher, agi igi, cfi me ia, flight navigator and flight eng turbojet written passed, 2800 total 104 me, 1st class medical, secret security clearance etc etc
On the other hand I agree with you 100% on the pilot shortage. There's nothing like that. It's all one big myth, a story invented by greedy regionals and big flight schools with their lobbying teams, and reinforced and spread out by naive pilots hoping they'll make it in to the left seat in a heavy of one of the legacies one day. All just wishful thinking, a dream that never comes true, (at least to most of us). Look aroud, regionals are filling all their classes, some are still very selective and refuse most of the aplicants. They spread the false information in order to change the recent legislation that doesn't play in their favor. However, the truth is they have no problem filling up their classes. Yes, they used to have thousands of applications, now maybe hundreds. Yes, there are examples like Great Lakes that can't attract anyone (we all know why), but other than that, business as usual. Maybe I'm wrong and the situation will change in the future (trust me, I really want to be wrong), but all I see right now is reshuffling of flying between regionals, and the FOs are following it with a hope of an upgrade. Wait till the big ones like Expressjet and Envoy will stagnate and start downgrading next year, there will be lines of experienced pilots ready to start once again at the bottom at PSA, Mesa, Gojet, TSA, Compass, etc. hoping to upgrade quickly and have a shot at a major. Some will aplly at Skywest, Republic, Horizon, or Endeavor hoping for stability of big operations or some enigmatic flow through. Trust me, there will be many different reasons and excuses, mostly to justify the lateral move to ourselves.
Anyways, good luck, and yeah, drop those type rationgs off your resume for now, and prepare a good explanation story for the interview, they'll ask you about it for sure (unless you apply for Mesa, they won't see your certificate over the phone...).
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All those types and only 104 ME?! That's the reason you're not getting any calls. It looks like you bought your ratings, and that's considered rather fishy, at least in this country. Nobody does that, well except the people who target Southwest.
On the other hand I agree with you 100% on the pilot shortage. There's nothing like that. It's all one big myth, a story invented by greedy regionals and big flight schools with their lobbying teams, and reinforced and spread out by naive pilots hoping they'll make it in to the left seat in a heavy of one of the legacies one day. All just wishful thinking, a dream that never comes true, (at least to most of us). Look aroud, regionals are filling all their classes, some are still very selective and refuse most of the aplicants. They spread the false information in order to change the recent legislation that doesn't play in their favor. However, the truth is they have no problem filling up their classes. Yes, they used to have thousands of applications, now maybe hundreds. Yes, there are examples like Great Lakes that can't attract anyone (we all know why), but other than that, business as usual. Maybe I'm wrong and the situation will change in the future (trust me, I really want to be wrong), but all I see right now is reshuffling of flying between regionals, and the FOs are following it with a hope of an upgrade. Wait till the big ones like Expressjet and Envoy will stagnate and start downgrading next year, there will be lines of experienced pilots ready to start once again at the bottom at PSA, Mesa, Gojet, TSA, Compass, etc. hoping to upgrade quickly and have a shot at a major. Some will aplly at Skywest, Republic, Horizon, or Endeavor hoping for stability of big operations or some enigmatic flow through. Trust me, there will be many different reasons and excuses, mostly to justify the lateral move to ourselves.
Anyways, good luck, and yeah, drop those type rationgs off your resume for now, and prepare a good explanation story for the interview, they'll ask you about it for sure (unless you apply for Mesa, they won't see your certificate over the phone...).
On the other hand I agree with you 100% on the pilot shortage. There's nothing like that. It's all one big myth, a story invented by greedy regionals and big flight schools with their lobbying teams, and reinforced and spread out by naive pilots hoping they'll make it in to the left seat in a heavy of one of the legacies one day. All just wishful thinking, a dream that never comes true, (at least to most of us). Look aroud, regionals are filling all their classes, some are still very selective and refuse most of the aplicants. They spread the false information in order to change the recent legislation that doesn't play in their favor. However, the truth is they have no problem filling up their classes. Yes, they used to have thousands of applications, now maybe hundreds. Yes, there are examples like Great Lakes that can't attract anyone (we all know why), but other than that, business as usual. Maybe I'm wrong and the situation will change in the future (trust me, I really want to be wrong), but all I see right now is reshuffling of flying between regionals, and the FOs are following it with a hope of an upgrade. Wait till the big ones like Expressjet and Envoy will stagnate and start downgrading next year, there will be lines of experienced pilots ready to start once again at the bottom at PSA, Mesa, Gojet, TSA, Compass, etc. hoping to upgrade quickly and have a shot at a major. Some will aplly at Skywest, Republic, Horizon, or Endeavor hoping for stability of big operations or some enigmatic flow through. Trust me, there will be many different reasons and excuses, mostly to justify the lateral move to ourselves.
Anyways, good luck, and yeah, drop those type rationgs off your resume for now, and prepare a good explanation story for the interview, they'll ask you about it for sure (unless you apply for Mesa, they won't see your certificate over the phone...).
i also thought if i could get a type rating it would demonstrate to the airline i was capable of passing their training .
I paid for the ME time too (mostly apache but was cheap at the time)
did the commercial first in ME then SE, IFR I did in ME and also CFI was ME first and then SE. actually cheaper to do that way.
when i apply for a big jet job they always want 500 hours in type. its a catch 22.
nobody wants to work for gr8 lakes because the salary isnt even enough to pay for your student loans let alone you food
the airlines were spoiled having 50 applicants for every job now its 10.
i read somewhere that some regional wanted to hire 50 but only hired 28.
(they failed to mention how many applied)
thanks for reply
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well i paid for the ratings myself (if thats what you mean) i know i dont have much time and im not doing P2F! so i tried everything i could think of to try to get a job. i assumed that if im applying against others with the minimum and i have this and that maybe it might get me noticed as someone who is motivated and not just trying to get get by.
i also thought if i could get a type rating it would demonstrate to the airline i was capable of passing their training .
I paid for the ME time too (mostly apache but was cheap at the time)
when i apply for a big jet job they always want 500 hours in type. its a catch 22.
nobody wants to work for gr8 lakes because the salary isnt even enough to pay for your student loans let alone you food
the airlines were spoiled having 50 applicants for every job now its 10.
i read somewhere that some regional wanted to hire 50 but only hired 28.
(they failed to mention how many applied)
thanks for reply
i also thought if i could get a type rating it would demonstrate to the airline i was capable of passing their training .
I paid for the ME time too (mostly apache but was cheap at the time)
when i apply for a big jet job they always want 500 hours in type. its a catch 22.
nobody wants to work for gr8 lakes because the salary isnt even enough to pay for your student loans let alone you food
the airlines were spoiled having 50 applicants for every job now its 10.
i read somewhere that some regional wanted to hire 50 but only hired 28.
(they failed to mention how many applied)
thanks for reply
No worries, I'm not judging you. You'll get a job soon, I believe (provided you don't have some major skeletons in your closet). Getting a job at an airline takes 2 major steps. First, get noticed and invited to an interview (the hardest part in my opinion). The second one is rather easy - study hard, over prepare and be ready to explain your past. You'll have tons of interview gouges on line to study from, there are companies that prepare you for a specific interview, basically endless resources out there.
Going back to your type ratings. It's very unusual to have a type rating and no time in the type, so it always triggers a warning. Some type ratings may even hunt you for a long time (e.g. B737). It's commonly known that if you want to get a job at Southwest (and currently even get an interview), you must have a B737 type. Well, many who do get it and then never get called or fail the Southwest interview are struggling to get any calls from other majors. Simply, they look like Southwest is on the top of their list and will bail once get a class at Southwest. Obviously it happens only in the scenarios where there are hundreds of experienced applicants for each opening. That's the reality at the majors right now and in my opinion it will never change. Good news you're trying to get to a regional so it is actually a matter of time for you. Make sure you have the important stuff on your resume. Collage degree and a current flying job is on the top of the list for sure. I'd skip all those type ratings and admit you have them later when they ask. Tell them what you were saying above, your intentions were to further your skills and increase chances to get a call from abroad. Also, you were unaware of the negative consequences, bla, bla, bla... You know what I mean. Being humble but confident is important. Also ability to admit mistakes and learn from them is a positive trait. Be patient and keep flying and you'll be in a regional soon. Now if that's a thing to celebrate is a matter of opinion, or a matter of time to be more precise... Anyway, good luck!
#66
Well yeah, and they could get death star tractor beams too.
Attempting to equate crude RPG's that can barely hit something close range and stationary with advanced anti aircraft guided missile systems is quite a leap.
Of course that's a threat, but it has nothing to do with RPG's.
Attempting to equate crude RPG's that can barely hit something close range and stationary with advanced anti aircraft guided missile systems is quite a leap.
Of course that's a threat, but it has nothing to do with RPG's.
#67
Hey guys,
Since I started this thread the day it popped up on our union's website, I've spoken to several at my company about the prospect, and you'll be happy to know I've heard of no one that would take the offer. I'm in a Regional operation with no jets, and of course people want to get onto jets sooner rather than later, but for the current pay in the US Regionals, no one is willing to give up their lifestyles here in Australia. We do, on average, about 100 duty hours (~60 stick hours) per 28 day roster with 9 days off, and no back-of-the-clock flying. 6 weeks paid Annual Leave. No commuting. I generally have 5-7 Reserve days in a roster, of which I get called out about 1-2 of them. And we're on a fixed salary. And on top of that salary we get 10% superannuation (like a 401k).
We are often being offered a carrot on a stick in terms of jets, but people know that's never really going to happen in our company, so unless you're a 20 year Captain here, most of us would go elsewhere if the opportunity arose. But Qantas mainline hasn't hired since mid-2009 due to the GFC and the growth of the LCC Jetstar, and even now Jetstar has halted hiring. So no movement. Until then, we'll try to enjoy our expensive country. I spent 3 days at the beach last week. 2 of those were reserve days. Come out here, guys! I like Americans. Especially the girls.
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Since I started this thread the day it popped up on our union's website, I've spoken to several at my company about the prospect, and you'll be happy to know I've heard of no one that would take the offer. I'm in a Regional operation with no jets, and of course people want to get onto jets sooner rather than later, but for the current pay in the US Regionals, no one is willing to give up their lifestyles here in Australia. We do, on average, about 100 duty hours (~60 stick hours) per 28 day roster with 9 days off, and no back-of-the-clock flying. 6 weeks paid Annual Leave. No commuting. I generally have 5-7 Reserve days in a roster, of which I get called out about 1-2 of them. And we're on a fixed salary. And on top of that salary we get 10% superannuation (like a 401k).
We are often being offered a carrot on a stick in terms of jets, but people know that's never really going to happen in our company, so unless you're a 20 year Captain here, most of us would go elsewhere if the opportunity arose. But Qantas mainline hasn't hired since mid-2009 due to the GFC and the growth of the LCC Jetstar, and even now Jetstar has halted hiring. So no movement. Until then, we'll try to enjoy our expensive country. I spent 3 days at the beach last week. 2 of those were reserve days. Come out here, guys! I like Americans. Especially the girls.
BB
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They are, but I think in this situation, its best to present yourself to the regional airlines looking like everyone else. If I'm the one doing hiring, I think I would want to have the sense that this person is going to stick around long enough to get what the company invests in him out of him.
Right now, he is having a problem even getting an interview. My first thought is he should look like everyone else who is getting an interview.
Right now, he is having a problem even getting an interview. My first thought is he should look like everyone else who is getting an interview.
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yeah I had a similar thought process prior to this week, (my original point). I never really thought about this as a credible threat in the US before. But then again, I never thought that there would be 3 separate incidents in one week of aircraft getting shot down. If I were to have asked you 2 weeks ago if you thought it was a real possibility for some "rebel fighters" to shoot down a 777 above 30,000 ft or to shoot down 2 military fighter jets, I would bet most (including myself) would have said "yeah it's possible, but I doubt it. They don't have the technology for that". My main point is, I think a lot of us are doing the same thing and underestimating potential threats, rebels, terrorists...etc. Thinking "oh they don't have that technology here" or "it may happen over seas, but they won't be able to pull that off on our soil." I don't know much about this kind of military stuff, just my opinion
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