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Old 01-05-2007 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by atooraya
121 carriers also don't require degrees anymore either, so we'll just not worry about that anymore either
FedEx does.
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Old 01-05-2007 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Wow buddy... Hopefully you will get it soon. By all means, finish college (flew with a captain not long ago who couldn't move on because he was still trying to get his degree done, its tough to do on the road). Sitting 4 years in the right seat at a crappy regional plus another year or 2 to get some decent PIC time then more time waiting for that major to call? I think I'd rather shoot myself in the face.
yes i know that w/o a degree u wont get very far...but I'm only 19, graduated high school few years ago, i should have it before my ATP....and for that matter...Doesn't it look better on paper to have cpl thousand hours of turbine time, maybe some pic turbine, than to have a lot of hours of pattern work?
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Old 01-05-2007 | 07:08 PM
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Not really. You're going regional anyway. You'll be going to the right seat and be learning their ways of operating from their captains. The degree is more important. Gives you something to use if you get furloughed. Just don't get one in aviation lol. That one really doesn't help unless it's for airport management.
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Old 01-05-2007 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by shanejj
yes i know that w/o a degree u wont get very far...but I'm only 19, graduated high school few years ago, i should have it before my ATP....and for that matter...Doesn't it look better on paper to have cpl thousand hours of turbine time, maybe some pic turbine, than to have a lot of hours of pattern work?
Graduated high school a few years ago? What, like 15-16? Christ, if you're such a genius why are you getting into aviation? Go be Doogie Howser or something, make tons more money, bang all kinds of hot chicks and fly for fun on the side!

A couple thousand hours SIC time will not get you anywhere unless you want to move laterally to another regional or you have some great "in" at a major that is flexible on the PIC requirements. SIC time is only good for getting a regional job. Once you have the regional job, the name of the game is PIC time. Look, you are going to a regional, right? Whats the point of going to a bad regional and then going somewhere else a year later? Now you are behind the guys who waited a few more months and went to the good regional in the first place. Not to mention you are probably out some dough for a uniform you can't use anymore, expenses you had to eat during training and may have moved some place you don't particularly want to be anymore. Just think for a minute before you jump at that first job that slaps you in the face.
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Old 01-05-2007 | 08:02 PM
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Not really surprised. They hire hundred hour pilots in 3rd world countries to fly 737s and A340s, not surprised if it would happen here for lousy barby jets.
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Old 01-05-2007 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by atooraya

121 carriers also don't require degrees anymore either, so we'll just not worry about that anymore either
From Delta website:

Delta Pilot Basic Qualifications
To qualify for employment as a pilot at Delta you must have all of the following.

General Requirements

* At least 21 years of age
* Graduate of a four-year degree program from a college or university accredited by a recognized accrediting organization. Postgraduate education will be given favorable consideration
* Current passport or other travel documents enabling the bearer to freely exit and re-enter the U.S. (multiple reentry status) and be legally eligible to work in the U.S. (possess proper working documents)

FAA Requirements

* FAA commercial fixed-wing pilot license with an instrument rating
* Current FAA First Class Medical Certificate
* Passing score on FAA ATP written exam at time of interview

Flight Time Requirements

* Minimum of 1,200 hours of total documented flight time
* Minimum of 1,000 hours of fixed wing turboprop or turbofan time

When evaluating the flight time of applicants meeting the basic qualifications, consideration will be given to, among other things, quality, quantity, recency, and verifiability of training; complexity of aircraft flown; types of flight operations; hours flown as PIC; and recency and extent of flying experience. Applicants invited to interview must provide appropriate documentation of all flight hours.
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Old 01-05-2007 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by atooraya
so you're saying that a candidate with 1500 hours, 1000 being 121 turbine, and 500 being other stuff is actually WORSE than a candidate with 1500 hours of 1500 being PIC, and 200 PIC multi with it as well?

121 carriers also don't require degrees anymore either, so we'll just not worry about that anymore either

and i'm not a 250 hour wonder
All other things being equal, I would rather have the guy with 1500 PIC in a HEARTBEAT. You're kidding yourself if you think 121 turbine time is hard time. The vast majority of the time its a cake walk. But every so often you have one of those days where you would rather be anywhere but in that cockpit. Thats when that PIC experience comes in handy. Its basically a case of having been there and done that. I would rather fly with a guy who has gotten into some tough spots and gotten himself out than some guy who has been flying with a babysitter for the vast majority of his time. Worst pilot I ever saw IN MY LIFE BAR NONE had 1800 hours 121 turbine SIC handflying a B1900 but only 300 hours of other flight time. That pilot washed out of training (thank god). If I had seen them up front on an airplane I was getting on I would have turned around and gotten right back off.

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When you say 121 carriers you are being very general. True, most regionals (which are 121 carriers) do not require a degree (a lot do and it definitely makes you more competitive). The vast majority of majors where most of us aspire to end our carriers DO require a degree.
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Old 01-05-2007 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Worst pilot I ever saw IN MY LIFE BAR NONE had 1800 hours 121 turbine SIC handflying a B1900 but only 300 hours of other flight time. That pilot washed out of training (thank god). If I had seen them up front on an airplane I was getting on I would have turned around and gotten right back off.
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Why? What happened, seems like a 1900 pilot would be the best pilot out there.
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Old 01-05-2007 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Graduated high school a few years ago? What, like 15-16? Christ, if you're such a genius why are you getting into aviation? Go be Doogie Howser or something, make tons more money, bang all kinds of hot chicks and fly for fun on the side!

A couple thousand hours SIC time will not get you anywhere unless you want to move laterally to another regional or you have some great "in" at a major that is flexible on the PIC requirements. SIC time is only good for getting a regional job. Once you have the regional job, the name of the game is PIC time. Look, you are going to a regional, right? Whats the point of going to a bad regional and then going somewhere else a year later? Now you are behind the guys who waited a few more months and went to the good regional in the first place. Not to mention you are probably out some dough for a uniform you can't use anymore, expenses you had to eat during training and may have moved some place you don't particularly want to be anymore. Just think for a minute before you jump at that first job that slaps you in the face.
I graduated with 16...honestly...I know I can make more money if I did somethin in law or computer programming (Im getting a b.s in computer programming), but...I just love to fly...the idea of having 100+ somethin ppl behind me has always been my dream....and even all the money in the world couldn't change that....besides...maybe I should get me a wife that does make lot's of $$$ ;-)
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Old 01-05-2007 | 10:57 PM
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A wife that makes a ton of $$$ sh!t why did I think of that!!!!!!!!!!
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