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Old 10-07-2014 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by NVUS
Stephen Udvar-Hazey, probably the world's leading expert on aircraft leasing, is on the BOD of SkyWest, Inc., which also claims itself to be an aircraft leasing company. While not all of these orders may be flown by SkyWest, Inc. subsidiaries, they very well could be leased to other operators as a source of positive revenue.
You do realize I wrote the same thing....
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Old 10-07-2014 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyinRabbit88
You do realize I wrote the same thing....
Eh, I'm tired. Or maybe your response came through while I was typing mine. Also, you said the leasing company owned by him, but SkyWest is also it's own leasing company. Anyways, semantics. Sorry for the rehash.
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Old 10-08-2014 | 05:32 AM
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They plan on scope being relaxed. Plus I read that if scope doesn't get relaxed, Mitsubishi plans to certify some of their models to fit the weight limits of current scope.
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Old 10-08-2014 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by minimwage4
They plan on scope being relaxed. Plus I read that if scope doesn't get relaxed, Mitsubishi plans to certify some of their models to fit the weight limits of current scope.

There are still seat capacity limits though.


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Old 10-08-2014 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
What's troubling is that each of these is larger than the current scope limits of the regional industry. Though negligible, the E175-E2 has added a row for up to 88 passengers. I could see that being remedied with a larger first class section, but what about the MRJ90 and CS300? The MRJ90 is meant for 92 pax while the CS300 doesn't even pretend to be a regional jet: 130 seats in a 2-class configuration.
The ERJ-175-E2 isn't really that much bigger than the current 175. RAH had 86 seats before they added the first class. The biggest problem for the scope clauses is the MGW which can easily be certified for a number that works for the scope. The 175s at Compass already have a higher MTOW because they perform more frequent landing gear inspections that puts them around 89,000lbs. They have a carve out in the scope clause from before the merger between Northwest and Delta. I'm sure they will just certify the E2 for below 86,000 and put in 76 seats with a bigger economy plus section. I know they probably can't wait to take advantage of those fuel sipping geared turbofans.

As for the MRJ and the C-Series, there are two versions of both (one big and one small). The MRJ70 has a 78 single class with both the ER and STD having less than a 86,000lbs MTW. Only the LR goes above 88,000lbs so it wouldn't be hard to certify it under the scope restrictions. The MRJ90 would be more of a problem as it is around ~90,000lbs (STD is only 87,303) and 92 single class (somewhat close to a ERJ-190 which is 108 single class).

The C-Series is more problematic as even the CS100 has a standard configuration of 110 (two class) and max seating of 125 with a MTOW of 116,-129,000. The CS300 is way out of the ballpark with a 2-class of 135 pax and a max of 160 and a MTOW of 129,-144,000lbs (Airbus and MD80 territory).

As you can see, the 175-E2 and the MRJ 70 really aren't out of the realm of possibilities for the regionals to fly under the scope limits. I'm sure even the MRJ90 could be made to work but really wouldn't be that efficient with that few of seats in it. The CS100 & 300 are the real mainline job killer and must be stopped cold in their tracks before they ever reach a regional. You are right though that this is a very important time in our industry's future as a lot of our careers could be destroyed by the C-Series.
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Old 10-08-2014 | 06:08 AM
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C Series at mainline. That'll fix it. Shoot, put all the rest of 'em there too.
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Old 10-08-2014 | 06:27 AM
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What limitations do the majors have regarding code sharing on domestic flights?

What if republic and Skywest turn into stand alone airlines and flew larger a/c that they codeshared with the majors.
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Old 10-08-2014 | 06:29 AM
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If the majors want the planes, they will lease these to them for profit. If scope is relaxed (I hope not), they can fly them at the current sub-par wages. Up even if it isn't, the planes can be configured to be within scope.
I doubt the MRJ will become a reality.
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Old 10-08-2014 | 06:48 AM
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I strongly OPPOSE any scope relaxation. Not one seat, not one pound. Also, mainline unions need to fight to include a distance limit in their scope clauses as well.
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Old 10-08-2014 | 06:52 AM
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What limitations do the majors have regarding code sharing on domestic flights?

What if republic and Skywest turn into stand alone airlines and flew larger a/c that they codeshared with the majors.
Then God help us all.
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