This will make you mad!
10-08-2014 | 07:14 PM
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Thinking more about it, one difference between a surgeon or doctor and a pilot is that, while they're all skilled, a specialty surgeon or one with a high success rate will be especially sought after. You're recognized on an individual level. Pilots have no uniquely identifying attributes. You might suck at the job and skirt by getting deviated day in and day out, but if you get the plane from A to B without crashing it and sweet talk the controller out of giving you a phone number, you're considered on equal footing with Sully. Doesn't seem right. But how could an airline gauge your quality relative to your peers? And what incentive do they have to do so?
If Sully came to work at Skywest he'd be paid $22 an hour as a FO and junior to me. Does that seem right?
An airline has NO incentive to pay you for your experience, hence the individual seniority lists at each company.
10-08-2014 | 07:18 PM
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We are not construction workers and I don't mean that in a derogatory way. Not sure of your background, but people are hired into management positions / or positions of seniority every day from outside the company. This doesn't undermine the morale or hard work of others. People are hired into positions that are commensurate with their abilities and paid a salary representative of their experience. Like the surgeon, a pilot should only be guaranteed an income based on his abilities not when he started working at an airline (hire date). 
10-08-2014 | 07:23 PM
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I kinda see your point, but I'm one of the guys that looks at the regionals as a stepping stone, and apprenticeship to say, it shouldn't be a 10 year career, if you chose to make it anything but a progression to the majors then you should have to live with the consequences if there are any,
10-08-2014 | 07:28 PM
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I kinda see your point, but I'm one of the guys that looks at the regionals as a stepping stone, and apprenticeship to say, it shouldn't be a 10 year career, if you chose to make it anything but a progression to the majors then you should have to live with the consequences if there are any,
10-08-2014 | 07:32 PM
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I kinda see your point, but I'm one of the guys that looks at the regionals as a stepping stone, and apprenticeship to say, it shouldn't be a 10 year career, if you chose to make it anything but a progression to the majors then you should have to live with the consequences if there are any,
The majors have not been hiring for several years and guys / gals have been stuck through no fault of their own. The seniority list as it stands now only serves to benefit management and Im not a "bash management" kinda guy,
10-08-2014 | 07:57 PM
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I think that one thing everyone seems to over look is its not as simple as big bad managers or ceo's the vast majority of airlines are publicly traded company's that are held accountable to there share holders, and whether you think it's sucks or you support it, one things for sure, capitalism is what's made it all possible, I guess we have the choice of going over to Russia and flying there, my personal belief is that over the last 20 years one major thing has been over looked, 20 years ago a young man or women wanted to become an airline pilot they did so knowing and was encouraged to be very flexible in life, if you lived in Florida and your next step involved moving to California, you packet up and went without batting an eye, now you see young regional pilots buying, new cars, maybe houses, having kids, all the things that lock you in. It's not that the system has changed so much in 20 years, it's that the pilots have, so the easiest thing to do in our minds is get the system to change to fit our lifestyles and needs, well good luck with that. Opportunities are still around for pilots at the major level, they just have to be willing to sacrifice to get there. Talk to any senior mainline pilot, I'm talking guys 55 plus, ups, fed-x, delta, ect. They will all tell you about eating top romen and barely getting by in there early years,
10-08-2014 | 08:18 PM
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I think that one thing everyone seems to over look is its not as simple as big bad managers or ceo's the vast majority of airlines are publicly traded company's that are held accountable to there share holders, and whether you think it's sucks or you support it, one things for sure, capitalism is what's made it all possible, I guess we have the choice of going over to Russia and flying there, my personal belief is that over the last 20 years one major thing has been over looked, 20 years ago a young man or women wanted to become an airline pilot they did so knowing and was encouraged to be very flexible in life, if you lived in Florida and your next step involved moving to California, you packet up and went without batting an eye, now you see young regional pilots buying, new cars, maybe houses, having kids, all the things that lock you in. It's not that the system has changed so much in 20 years, it's that the pilots have, so the easiest thing to do in our minds is get the system to change to fit our lifestyles and needs, well good luck with that. Opportunities are still around for pilots at the major level, they just have to be willing to sacrifice to get there. Talk to any senior mainline pilot, I'm talking guys 55 plus, ups, fed-x, delta, ect. They will all tell you about eating top romen and barely getting by in there early years,
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