BZZT if you are so anti union why did you choose this industry? It chaps me that the strong company supporters are always ready to undermine their peers on cue and then appeal to the anti union sentiment to justify it.

I already addressed it, look back.

Spoiler: I fell in to this industry, never wanted to be a pilot it was just an easy job that I felt was worth a shot.

Then humor me. If healthcare costs are going up, why would you voluntarily vote to increase your cost of insurance? Why would you say, well healthcare costs are going up anyway, when it's the insurance costs they are trying to raise on you, not the healthcare costs! The fact that healthcare costs are going up is more reason NOT to vote for an increase in health insurance. So humor me, why would you vote to increase the cost of insurance on top of the rising cost of healthcare?

Sure just ask the countless guys that leave every month for other jobs. Nobody is underestimating the flow. There are very few people here that would actually need it.

Victim and entitled and not responsible- a familiar theme these days.

This isn't sell out airlines, unlike PDT. The info posted is a rehash of the same crap that was voted down by 70%. It failed then, it will fail now.

Btw, how is your Big Announcement Friday going for you?

A few vocal hardliners? You mean aside from the people willing to take any deal? The ones hashing through what they believe is acceptable or unacceptable? There's a lot of useful information here, and it's a known fact that these boards are monitored and content scraped for whatever purpose the company sees fit.

Only in your own mind.

I completed the 3-phase interview process at TWA (as an Eagle F/O) in 1990 and was offered a job, but my research then indicated I'd be furloughed shortly thereafter (which turned out to be exactly true). I determined that Part 121 PIC time was better then F/E time (even in the L1011 which 2 of my fellow F/O's took and got who were in the class I bailed on). That was a very hard decision....very hard (my two Eagle pals thought I was crazy). Just before the flow-thru in about early '97, I interviewed at America West, but was not selected, so yes, just like all of us, I'm not perfect, but it was an excellent learning experience (in retrospect, I'm glad it didn't work out). I had an interview offer at US Airways in about '99, but sticking it out a couple more years at Eagle for AA seemed a better deal and at that point since the flow-thru was in place then and I decided not to apply anywhere else at that point since I would soon be eligible. I was a conscious choice.

UAL called just after I was awarded my AA slot in the early 2000's while serving my lock-in prior to 9/11, I assume from a previous application, but I was committing myself to AA. I had a decent corporate job offer in the mid-2000's while the flow-thru was on hiatus due to 9/11 and I thought about it (these people knew me, my abilities and credentials, my reputation and my personality BEFORE they offered me such a position). I'm sorry, but in actuality just like your CLR pal, you have really never been correct about anything. You clowns throw empty rocks because you makes erroneous assumptions based on flawed perceptions. That's why your attempts to con Envoy pilots and establish personal credibility have failed so miserably here. Another prime example of your failings is the claim, "I don't want Envoy pilots to vote for the exact same mechanism that got me to a legacy".

First of all, it's not the "exact same" mechanism, but is similar. Second of all, IT IS ALREADY IN PLACE and third, I've never said or implied that in any way, shape or form. That is simply more misinformation based on error by the same heinously flawed source and bankrupt of accuracy. I think Envoy pilots have leverage, are being manipulated, played and conned (something your pal knows VERY well ;)) and should vote for a FAIR deal. So far, nothing has been offered that is fair, in fact, just the opposite.

It's too bad your chum won't join you on the midnight train to utopia at the end of the year..........unless that is of course, just more B.S. from a award-winning, blue ribbon B.S.'er. :cool:

BTW, those two fellow F/O's at Eagle who went to TWA and took the gamble ? After their FIRST furlough, one bounced around various flying jobs until he was picked up by US Air in the late '90's (and was furloughed from there too) and the other rode it out at TWA. The first guy is likely to be senior to me at AA after the SLI and the other who endured two furloughs and spent more time in the next decade away from TWA then flying for it (who is still out on voluntary furlough and may or may not come back) is something like 1800 numbers junior to me on the present AA list (but I haven't checked that in years). Go figure.....you never know how something will turn out until after you've done it. It shows that in life that frequently you don't know what decision was the right one until you have the luxury of looking BACK at a later date. You guys think you got everyone and everything figured out ( 1990's Prozac kid ?), but you don't. Clearly, you're learning nothing as you go along either.

Some of them are NOT who you think they are, nor are their motives WHAT you think they may be. ;)

If only you had that capability. :cool:

MANY, but not all. The fact is many despite being just as qualified as the next pilot won't make it as the dynamics just don't play out. A limited number of slots could ruin the timing due to age or other factors for many. To assume that everyone who DOES flow to AA wasn't hirable anywhere else is just as silly and stupid is inferring they are all fat and/or diabetic. It is for this reason exactly WHY it is so important for pilots to get a FAIR deal at Envoy, because pilots there may spend many more years then they anticipated for a multitude of reasons, especially with a staggering 10-year deal (the past industry standard was usually 4-years.....and that was for a REASON).

You guys are lobbying for a BAD deal, plain and simple.