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penaltybox 11-02-2014 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1757114)
Absolutely. Look, Parker and Glass cannot afford another no vote. Should that occur, they would be FORCED to place new aircraft at Envoy under the current CBA. They are running out of time and there aren't that many cards in the deck. So, selectively ratcheting up the heat is required and you can expect just that. It wouldn't surprise me to see the C-word leaked again, but more gently and in a roundabout way to instill horrifying fear. The stakes for them are that high and they cannot fail this time because if they do, they're next move will all but demonstrate they were playing poker all along.

How many times have they come back already ?

I can only think of one c-word. Which one are you referring to?

billyho 11-02-2014 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Tsuda (Post 1757113)
Rumor over on EL is a forthcoming announcement concerning our emb145's. The company will transfer the emb145's to PDT. No numbers are mentioned. It's a rumor, but just in time to coincide with a TA vote.

We are hearing the same rumors. It's just amazing how airline execs will step over a dollar to pick up a quarter.

Why spend the money to transfer 145's to Piedmont. The rumor we hear is June. But they haven't even started a training program yet. Just seem like a waste of money to me to start a 145 program at another WO'ed when you've already got one at another. The 700's going to PSA I can see. 145's to Piedmont not so much.
If they were gonna place anything at Piedmont you'd think it would be a plane that neither of the 3 Wo'ed has.

AAG wants those 175's at Envoy. And they want them there BAD!! Good luck guys.

eaglefly 11-02-2014 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by penaltybox (Post 1757132)
I can only think of one c-word. Which one are you referring to?

One already used to frighten and intimidate Envoy pilots involving the fate of another regional of the past. Different environment then allowing that to be a viable option.

billyho 11-02-2014 11:01 AM

US Airways CEO Gets 44 Percent Pay Bump; Merger Makes Him Leader Of World's Biggest Airline

Saabs 11-02-2014 12:02 PM

I honestly don't have a clue why u think CEO compensation had anything to do with regional compensation, it's not even worth posting.

billyho 11-02-2014 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1757275)
I honestly don't have a clue why u think CEO compensation had anything to do with regional compensation, it's not even worth posting.

If you're a WO'ed sure it does. Especially when Parker says he wants 175 at the WO'ed to keep the profits!!! So yes it does dummy!

RJ Pilot 11-02-2014 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1757275)
I honestly don't have a clue why u think CEO compensation had anything to do with regional compensation, it's not even worth posting.

LOL'd Unlike others,I don't have any say on the current envoy situation since I don't work there anymore, but that link about his pay is more than a year old.

Good Luck.

TalkTurkey 11-02-2014 02:51 PM

Envoy. 9E here. Stick to your guns. You are the fulcrum of substandard industry change. Let them transfer E145s to PDT. I guarantee they will not be able to staff them DP and RA at Delta will lose the card game as long as we stick it to them and stop this malarky, this shuffling of pilots between regionals.

The fact the Parker and his cronies continue to rattle Fabios chain over there indicates that ENV, especially FOs are in command of the poker game. I salute you and stand by you. In all honesty there are very few entry level pilots coming around. Let the threats roll. Let the planes shuffle. There will be no pilots to staff them and then DP will have to either hire you or pay you better. Same with us at 9E, I hope.

chignutsak 11-02-2014 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1757385)
Envoy. 9E here. Stick to your guns. You are the fulcrum of substandard industry change. Let them transfer E145s to PDT. I guarantee they will not be able to staff them DP and RA at Delta will lose the card game as long as we stick it to them and stop this malarky, this shuffling of pilots between regionals.

The fact the Parker and his cronies continue to rattle Fabios chain over there indicates that ENV, especially FOs are in command of the poker game. I salute you and stand by you. In all honesty there are very few entry level pilots coming around. Let the threats roll. Let the planes shuffle. There will be no pilots to staff them and then DP will have to either hire you or pay you better. Same with us at 9E, I hope.

Most of us felt that way last time around. Hopefully only a few have been rattled since then. Lord knows there have been a few sock puppets around to carry the mgt torch.

PilotJ3 11-02-2014 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1757385)
Envoy. 9E here. Stick to your guns. You are the fulcrum of substandard industry change. Let them transfer E145s to PDT. I guarantee they will not be able to staff them DP and RA at Delta will lose the card game as long as we stick it to them and stop this malarky, this shuffling of pilots between regionals.

The fact the Parker and his cronies continue to rattle Fabios chain over there indicates that ENV, especially FOs are in command of the poker game. I salute you and stand by you. In all honesty there are very few entry level pilots coming around. Let the threats roll. Let the planes shuffle. There will be no pilots to staff them and then DP will have to either hire you or pay you better. Same with us at 9E, I hope.

The problem is that we have been holding the line, while others are happy upgrading and enjoying envoy shrinking.

Unfortunately it was game over when PDT voted yes. Either we cave or cease to exist. :(

I'm waiting for the outcome of thiese negotiations to take a decision of how I will vote.


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