In a nut shell....nice.

Guys, a few things.

To say that MIA would still be open, or if the eagle pilots vote yes then "X" would happen, etc - that is saying that management is purposefully allowing an employee group to dictate long-term business plans involving whole companies and billions in assets.

Does anyone here REALLY believe that management would put any labor group, especially the pilots (the only real commodity group) in the driver's seat?

Parker has said it himself, they are merely trying to lock in lowest cost as long as possible. That is parallel to, but not dependent upon their business plan. In other words, the business plan remains unchanged regardless of what they are able to do with labor. At best, the pilots may temporarily affect timing.

Also do not expect anything in the form of assurances of base decisions. Management would never, ever put that in writing. If it's not in writing, it doesn't exist. Anyone remember how long "...the foreseeable future..." was? It's a waste of time to even talk about keeping a base open as part of a deal. One only has to think back to the situations under which LA and BOS closed.

You should quit the airline business and stick to flying J3 Cubs. It's single pilot and all you have to worry about is yourself.

True. Delta pilots didn't become some of the highest paid pilots in the business by giving concessions and shrinking to profitability. They held their line in full knowledge that airlines require pilots to fly the aircraft.

Apples to frikken watermelons. Contract anything doesn't have the San leverage, especially if there are multiple vendors. The bean counters are always going to go with the cheapest when all else is equal

Yeah I don't think Envoy pilots (or any regional pilots for that matter) have the same leverage as mainline pilots. I think it's time for Envoy pilots to wake up and realize that they're not mainline pilots.
Either become like PSA and PDT or stop getting a paycheck.

Spoken like either a mainline pilot who wants the regionals to fail or someone who would screw over fellow regional pilots just to build time for a major.

Which are you?

Bean counters go for whatever saves or makes them money. It's apples to apples. The circumstances are different for each airline but it is still a matter of union pilots negotiating fair contracts to fly aircraft.

I guess if you repeat that to yourself enough times it allows you to sleep at night. Of course it doesn't help the thousands of Envoy employees in MIA whose lives have just been ruined. I'm speaking in particular about employees who are NOT flight crew members and for whom commuting is NOT an option. What do you suggest they do now, all knowing one? Being based in MIA I see first hand fathers and mothers who are now facing a very empty future thanks to people like you misleading the pilots and being very selective with your 'facts" earlier this year.

And stop being naive and acting so innocent. You know as well as anybody else that the E175s were to be deployed to MIA initially. It was made very clear and was a not so secret bit of information. Again, you are just being selective with your information. Just like you guys were very selective with the staffing information at other Regionals...perpetuating the myth that nobody could staff their current flying let alone new flying. The gullibale pilots at this company need to share the blame...they didn't need to fall for your misinformation and could have done research on their own. But don't try to reverse rationalize things now. You and the rest of the MEC from back in those days share responsibility for what is now happening at this company.

The first problem with sticking together, is that our unions are held hostage buy this railway act. It allows management to drag out negotiations, instead of negotiating in good faith. Being able to drag out negotiations for 8 years is just absurd.

Since the union path takes forever, the only way for anything to change is for pilots to do it themselves. Say I not going to follow those jets to the other company. But then reality sets in, and when the furlough comes we realize that outside of aviation, we are unskilled labor (unless you have a degree in something else you can use). So the choice for many is follow those jets and make 25k year one, or go work retail for the 18k.

Management knows all this and that's why they continue to whipsaw us.