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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1763038)

Can't you see that the Legacies bank on your hasty moves? XJT planes to TSA, Envoy's to PSA, now Endeavor's to SkyWest and perhaps AWAC. This is designed for you to jump ship to another carrier, stay cheap and even fly the same routes. FOs flock under false hopes of a quick upgrade. Perhaps some may get it, but who's gonna be your FO? There's no way PSA will staff the infusion of 77 RJs even if all of 9E's FOs bail.

Stay where you're at until you move up, let the system crumble, and for f@&$ sakes let the legacies fix this.

I'm on board with this.

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Originally Posted by swamp (Post 1763047)

Good post, at 9E there have been many 7+ year FO's bailing to start at the bottom of PSA or compass. Might have been a good move a year ago, but now, PSA and compass will soon have the same problem 9E is having = hiring new pilots and those FOs leaving now will be stuck yet again at the bottom of another regionals seniority list. FOs leaving for allegiance, spirit, JetBlue or any other LCC makes sense, but leaving 7 years of seniority to start at the bottom of another regional, just doesn't make much sense. I get 9E is not the ideal place to work right now, but we have approx 70 CA waiting for a class date at Delta and many others leaving to United, and AA soon. Guys have stuck around and dedicated their time to 9E during the stagnation years, why bail now when the attrition years have just started?

This, too.

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1763056)

Simple, the EtD; We get hundreds of apps here at 9E, but only single digits actually make it to class.

But this is a major problem! I know of one really great guy who was turned away on the second day-pysch test day. I can't imagine what the heck was the reason for the "no." I don't know how a regional can expect to shoot down something close to around literally 95% of applicants and stay in business. I don't see how this is the current Endeavor pilot group's fault, as mangment has said (heard it with my own ears.)

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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1763038)

Stay where you're at until you move up, let the system crumble, and for f@&$ sakes let the legacies fix this.

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Originally Posted by swamp (Post 1763047)

7 years of longevity at 9E means nothing, you could have better seniority and the same paycheck at year two at some of the regionals hiring now, with a great chance of upgrade. If you are an FO at pinnacle you will never upgrade, there are enough captain lifers for every single left seat. The risk of staying outweighs the risk of going, as has been the case for years now.

Gentlemen, put your effort into an LCC not turbine pic.

Don't bank on unity and don't be a pawn.

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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1763038)

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You're so far off in left field I don't even know where to start. You're an idealist and not a realist. The regional industry won't be fixed by mainline. The regionals are a place to get in to and then get out of ASAP. If I am going to gain PIC time, have better work rules, better QOL and a better paycheck at XYZ airline vs staying at 123 airline then I'm going to XYZ airline. You're giving the mainline carriers too much credit if you think their goal is to make sure you keep making lateral moves. That's a by-product of their goals.

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Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 1763060)

I think going to PSA is a scummy move

Why?

This:
-If I was a 1-4 year FO at a regional that I wasn't thrilled with and I lived in CLT, I would go to PSA in a heartbeat. Even if the upgrade didn't come, the QOL bump from not commuting would make it worth it, for me.

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Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 1763060)

Bingo. I'm tired of people telling me what I should do/have done with my career.

I'm not going to stagnate my career for the 'greater good.' I want to get hired at a major carrier ASAP, not 10 years from now. Is the 'greater good' going to pay my bills? Is the 'greater good' going to make up the $250,000 difference in my 401K in 40 years? Is the 'greater good' going to get me Christmas off 10 years from now so I can spend it with my family because my seniority won't hold it as a new hire at mainline?

I think going to PSA is a scummy move, but those guys are going to have a job at United/Delta/AA before the FOs who sit at XJT/AE/9E. That's just the facts.

You might be right, be right now those are far from facts. At this point no one has any idea who is going to get to the big boys first. This isn't about the greater good either, this is about people who jumped ship from Eagle to go to XJ who now are jumping ship to Compass -- the whole time they were telling themselves the same thing you are. For everyone person where a lateral move seemed to work out there are 5 other people who would be much further along in their career if they had just stayed put. But hey, if you want to offer your services and experience at year one regional pay 3 different times go ahead, I'm sure United/Delta/AA are happy that you are willing to make that sacrifice for their bottom line.

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1763056)

Simple, the EtD; We get hundreds of apps here at 9E, but only single digits actually make it to class.

Are you sure of those numbers? They use AirlineApps so there is no way to tell how many real applications they are getting. The few days after the EtD was announced they had around 100ish applications submitted, soon after the numbers went right back down to normal. I doubt more than half of those really intended to show up for the interview, probably only about 20 of them really intended to show up. They have offered 21 people positions but only a handful of people have accepted. Right now there is no reason for people to come interview and there is no reason for people to stay. If that doesn't change by summer then 9E will shutdown.

So far I am at 50/50, cray cray and spot on. Thanks, folks. I guess that is much to be expected. Nothing is certain until we have all ****t off to the majors; those evil summ*****es that we all want to be a part of.