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thump 11-14-2014 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by Leroy Smith (Post 1763686)
How about RAH and the huge influx of "guppy killlers". One of the worst contracts out there, but there was a feeding frenzy. If my memory serves me right, that started about 8 years ago. Wonder what happened to a lot of the pilots that jumped over......

And Goat Jet? How did it work out for a lot of the lateral movers there?

A huge number of the RAH guys from that era got an 18-24 month upgrade. I am not one of them, nor did I make a lateral move....

The Go Jet guys from 2010-2012 all came out with quick upgrade.

Not saying one should chase upgrade, but is does work out for some.

billyho 11-14-2014 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by AboveAndBeyond (Post 1763650)
All of the regionals have "dirtbag" qualities. The one that everyone hates today will be the "best" one tomorrow.

SkyWest is stealing work from 9E, TSA from XJT.


If you believe that then you're not in touch with reality! I got out of the hotel van with two Mainline FO's at American. Both former GoJets! Went there got there fast upgrade and now are at a major. LOL

Yep that scum bag outfit hurt them.

sublime259 11-14-2014 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1763720)
If you believe that then you're not in touch with reality! I got out of the hotel van with two Mainline FO's at American. Both former GoJets! Went there got there fast upgrade and now are at a major. LOL

Yep that scum bag outfit hurt them.

I never said it would be impossible, I said it would be much more difficult. I'd venture to say those two AA FO's had some nice connections or were prior mil. If you're like the majority of us (white male with mostly civilian RJ time) you have already stacked the deck against yourself.

I've read your previous posts and am well aware I won't be changing your opinion and that's fine. I do hope, however, that guys and girls new to the industry take off their blinders and see how detrimental going to PSA and PDT is to their career. You're welcome to think that mainline doesn't care but I'm telling you that they ARE well aware and they do care.

24/48 11-14-2014 07:58 AM

In terms of majors hiring...when I got hired on at CAL in '06 there were folks getting hired from the original Freedom Air (alter-ego of Mesa), and GoJets. Of course we had scabs in management so maybe they liked that sort of thing, dunno. What I do know is that UAL and UALALPA are working together as we have to hire 1300+ in the next 18 months (I've moved up 200+ numbers in the last 3 months). Though there were political motivations on Heppner's part, like gaining the regional MEC's vote for ALPA President, I suspect the practice will continue to help our ALPA brothers & sisters at the regional level. Fact of the matter is that the pool will dry up quickly, and management will have to add more mainline aircraft to comply with scope, which means even more hiring. DAL's ETD (or whatever it's called) with 9E is just the start, IMHO.

Geardownflaps30 11-14-2014 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by swamp (Post 1763047)
Good post, at 9E there have been many 7+ year FO's bailing to start at the bottom of PSA or compass. Might have been a good move a year ago, but now, PSA and compass will soon have the same problem 9E is having = hiring new pilots and those FOs leaving now will be stuck yet again at the bottom of another regionals seniority list. FOs leaving for allegiance, spirit, JetBlue or any other LCC makes sense, but leaving 7 years of seniority to start at the bottom of another regional, just doesn't make much sense. I get 9E is not the ideal place to work right now, but we have approx 70 CA waiting for a class date at Delta and many others leaving to United, and AA soon. Guys have stuck around and DONATED their time to 9E during the stagnation years, why bail now when the attrition years have just started?


There. Fixed it for you.

billyho 11-14-2014 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by sublime259 (Post 1763758)
I never said it would be impossible, I said it would be much more difficult. I'd venture to say those two AA FO's had some nice connections or were prior mil. If you're like the majority of us (white male with mostly civilian RJ time) you have already stacked the deck against yourself.

I've read your previous posts and am well aware I won't be changing your opinion and that's fine. I do hope, however, that guys and girls new to the industry take off their blinders and see how detrimental going to PSA and PDT is to their career. You're welcome to think that mainline doesn't care but I'm telling you that they ARE well aware and they do care.

So let me get this straight. You're saying that the majors don't want to hire the pilots from the regionals that they are forcing to fly there planes at the rates the majors place on them?
Oh okay! Lol! If anything they probably want them more.

sublime259 11-14-2014 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1763830)
So let me get this straight. You're saying that the majors don't want to hire the pilots from the regionals that they are forcing to fly there planes at the rates the majors place on them?
Oh okay! Lol! If anything they probably want them more.

Huh? Start making some sense for a change. Like the old saying goes, you can't fix stupid. I'm not going to argue with you because clearly it's akin to ****ing in the wind. You're entitled to your opinions, as flawed as they are. I'm done with you though.

Nantonaku 11-14-2014 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1763792)
There. Fixed it for you.

Absurd, no reason to single out any regional company, even with a bankruptcy contract their contract is basically still average. Your statement could be said about every single regional pilot making less than 65K (every FO in the industry). Where do you work and how much more do you think you make than a 9E pilot?

QuagmireGiggity 11-14-2014 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by swamp (Post 1763047)
Good post, at 9E there have been many 7+ year FO's bailing to start at the bottom of PSA or compass. Might have been a good move a year ago, but now, PSA and compass will soon have the same problem 9E is having = hiring new pilots and those FOs leaving now will be stuck yet again at the bottom of another regionals seniority list. FOs leaving for allegiance, spirit, JetBlue or any other LCC makes sense, but leaving 7 years of seniority to start at the bottom of another regional, just doesn't make much sense. I get 9E is not the ideal place to work right now, but we have approx 70 CA waiting for a class date at Delta and many others leaving to United, and AA soon. Guys have stuck around and dedicated their time to 9E during the stagnation years, why bail now when the attrition years have just started?

Why do people keep using these stupid codes like 9E like we all know who that is?
Is it really too much to type out the name of an airline?

billyho 11-14-2014 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by sublime259 (Post 1763851)
Huh? Start making some sense for a change. Like the old saying goes, you can't fix stupid. I'm not going to argue with you because clearly it's akin to ****ing in the wind. You're entitled to your opinions, as flawed as they are. I'm done with you though.

Stupid? Your statement that you have less chance getting hired at a major if you fly for a bottom feeder isn't?? Okay I'm stupid and done with. Thank very much:-). Let me get back to my bottom feeding job.:rolleyes:


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