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USAviationRep 11-30-2014 08:59 AM

It's not about how many leave, it's about the net loss. I've heard that some (one specifically) are losing up to 2% net per month but others are growing. Overall the industry loss is negligible.

Concorde001 11-30-2014 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1772986)
Conservatively 600 plus pilots are leaving the regionals each month.

No doubt there are pilots who are not trying to leave, but what percentage of each carrier is that?

What is the date of the door closing?

Mid 2016????

Time for pilots flying $30 million dollar aircraft with 70 plus passengers to get paid $100,000 minimum for a first officer.

Amen on that 100k brother, even at a major you won't get that in the first few years.

CBreezy 11-30-2014 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Concorde001 (Post 1773237)
Amen on that 100k brother, even at a major you won't get that in the first few years.

If no one can afford to fly because all pilots are making over $100k first year, who is going to pay off your student loans?

eaglefly 11-30-2014 10:38 AM

End ?

Not likely. Expect a steadily increasing inability to meet legacies needs that will become a crisis within a couple of years. 5 years from now, regionals will contract by at least 50% with larger 64-76 aircraft as the majority.

10 years from now. Boy, that's a real ugly wildcard if you ask me. Many small and medium cities will be in dire trouble void of air service. ATA will blame everyone but themselves, of course.

CBreezy 11-30-2014 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1773245)
End ?

Not likely. Expect a steadily increasing inability to meet legacies needs that will become a crisis within a couple of years. 5 years from now, regionals will contract by at least 50% with larger 64-76 aircraft as the majority.

10 years from now. Boy, that's a real ugly wildcard if you ask me. Many small and medium cities will be in dire trouble void of air service. ATA will blame everyone but themselves, of course.

Dire? Melodramatic much?

Brand X 11-30-2014 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1772986)
Conservatively 600 plus pilots are leaving the regionals each month.

No doubt there are pilots who are not trying to leave, but what percentage of each carrier is that?

What is the date of the door closing?

Mid 2016????

Time for pilots flying $30 million dollar aircraft with 70 plus passengers to get paid $100,000 minimum for a first officer.

Then you are going to have to replace almost every regional first officer with first officers with REAL experience and that are worth $100,000/yr. Because current regional pilots aren't worth it since most are entry level pilots and what you are wanting isn't an entry level job anymore.

You can't have it both ways..... entry level pilots commanding $100,000/yr. You aren't worth it.

eaglefly 11-30-2014 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1773261)
Dire? Melodramatic much?

Well, I've never convinced an Ostrich of anything yet. For some reason, they never hear me. :rolleyes:

Speedbird2263 11-30-2014 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by Brand X (Post 1773292)
Then you are going to have to replace almost every regional first officer with first officers with REAL experience and that are worth $100,000/yr. Because current regional pilots aren't worth it since most are entry level pilots and what you are wanting isn't an entry level job anymore.

You can't have it both ways..... entry level pilots commanding $100,000/yr. You aren't worth it.

Why is that entry level physicians and pharmacists and many other highly sought professions command a significantly higher starting salary than do first officers whom have spent a significant amount on education and training? I'll tell you why, it's not because you they are not worth it, they are worth every bit. Someone mentioned on here sometime ago that the doctors figured it out while the lawyers and pilots, not so much. Make it harder(read selective) to enter the profession and you will see the supply-demand pendulum swing the other way around.

The 1500hr rule, new ATP regulations and increased cost of education are all acting to make it less appealing to enter the profession. Most on here think in terms of the singularity of the US market and if you take a look at the world outside the CONUS the starting salary is higher on average. I taught many students that left the US to go back home with a fresh CPL that made more starting than I ever will as a regional FO. Just my two cents though.

-2263

Brand X 11-30-2014 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by Speedbird2263 (Post 1773327)
Why is that entry level physicians and pharmacists and many other highly sought professions command a significantly higher starting salary than do first officers whom have spent a significant amount on education and training? I'll tell you why, it's not because you they are not worth it, they are worth every bit. Someone mentioned on here sometime ago that the doctors figured it out while the lawyers and pilots, not so much. Make it harder(read selective) to enter the profession and you will see the supply-demand pendulum swing the other way around.

The 1500hr rule, new ATP regulations and increased cost of education are all acting to make it less appealing to enter the profession. Most on here think in terms of the singularity of the US market and if you take a look at the world outside the CONUS the starting salary is higher on average. I taught many students that left the US to go back home with a fresh CPL that made more starting than I ever will as a regional FO. Just my two cents though.

-2263

Quit comparing yourself to a doctor or lawyer. ANY retard with enough money can become a regional airline pilot.

UAL SUX 11-30-2014 02:54 PM

Yes please don't compare pilots to lawyers.

The dumbest girl I ever met in college got a law degree.


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