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CBreezy 12-01-2014 06:16 AM

You know, your juvenile insults really are entertaining. Are you going to throw a temper tantrum next? Your inability to counter my post with any real facts just proves that you are truly an ignoramus...and you're suprisingly bad at google. My 13 year old cousin does a better job using search engines.

According to Reuters, BusinessInsider, AND Fox Business, Delta profits were $357 Million. If you need someone to explain to you how money works, talk to a college freshman.

Speedbird2263 12-01-2014 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by Brand X (Post 1773344)
Quit comparing yourself to a doctor or lawyer. ANY retard with enough money can become a regional airline pilot.

Or corporate or legacy or air ambulance...the list goes on, why stop at the regional pilot. The psychology of it all makes one wonder, I believe the very stigma associated with being a regional pilot in the US helps to suppress wages. You, however crudely proved my point though, that access to the profession is too easy in more ways than one, therefore the supply and demand curve is weighted heavily towards the company's favour. I may be wrong, however that's just my layman observation.

-2263

tinman1 12-01-2014 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by DYNASTY HVY (Post 1773480)
Any facts or articles to back up your claims that you, ve made so far? Just saying.

I'll bite...

Oil rig workers make nearly $100,000 a year - May. 10, 2012

The average wage for an oil field worker with less than a year experience is $67k/year, and goes up from there. The average was $99k/year in 2011. I have friends who barely made it through high school and goofed off afterwards. They're now living pretty decent lifestyles, easily affording houses and nice cars. That's more than I can say as a pilot...

gzsg 12-01-2014 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1773605)
You know, your juvenile insults really are entertaining. Are you going to throw a temper tantrum next? Your inability to counter my post with any real facts just proves that you are truly an ignoramus...and you're suprisingly bad at google. My 13 year old cousin does a better job using search engines.

According to Reuters, BusinessInsider, AND Fox Business, Delta profits were $357 Million. If you need someone to explain to you how money works, talk to a college freshman.

You are one french fry short of a Happy Meal.

Oberon 12-01-2014 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by Speedbird2263 (Post 1773612)
Or corporate or legacy or air ambulance...the list goes on, why stop at the regional pilot. The psychology of it all makes one wonder, I believe the very stigma associated with being a regional pilot in the US helps to suppress wages. You, however crudely proved my point though, that access to the profession is too easy in more ways than one, therefore the supply and demand curve is weighted heavily towards the company's favour. I may be wrong, however that's just my layman observation.

-2263

Regional FOs make what they make because the majors have set up a system where pilot "costs" have to be at a certain point or the regional can't make money. Regional margins are very tight and there are a dozen companies waiting to take the flying if a company decides they need more money.

There is a pool of money available for pilots which is more or less static (there is a little room for negotiation) and what is negotiated is how to divvy it up. I'm not sure who decided what the captain/FO split should be but it is definitely slanted in favor of captains at the regional level.

For the total compensation package to increase in a meaningful way at contractor companies the majors will have to decide they want to pay regional pilots more. In my opinion the dearth of qualified regional candidates will eventually force compensation higher at the lower end of the industry. That could mean higher regional wages or a transfer of flying to mainline.

Flying Ninja 12-01-2014 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Timma (Post 1773371)
I think Canada has a different term for law school.

Yeah, it's called the Canadian Ballet.

Speedbird2263 12-01-2014 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1773651)
Regional FOs make what they make because the majors have set up a system where pilot "costs" have to be at a certain point or the regional can't make money. Regional margins are very tight and there are a dozen companies waiting to take the flying if a company decides they need more money.

There is a pool of money available for pilots which is more or less static (there is a little room for negotiation) and what is negotiated is how to divvy it up. I'm not sure who decided what the captain/FO split should be but it is definitely slanted in favor of captains at the regional level.

For the total compensation package to increase in a meaningful way at contractor companies the majors will have to decide they want to pay regional pilots more. In my opinion the dearth of qualified regional candidates will eventually force compensation higher at the lower end of the industry. That could mean higher regional wages or a transfer of flying to mainline.

That's quite a meaningful way of looking at it.

-2263

DYNASTY HVY 12-01-2014 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by tinman1 (Post 1773619)
I'll bite...

Oil rig workers make nearly $100,000 a year - May. 10, 2012

The average wage for an oil field worker with less than a year experience is $67k/year, and goes up from there. The average was $99k/year in 2011. I have friends who barely made it through high school and goofed off afterwards. They're now living pretty decent lifestyles, easily affording houses and nice cars. That's more than I can say as a pilot...

Congrats on taking the time to look it up .

pilotwithnoname 12-01-2014 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by tinman1 (Post 1773619)
I'll bite...

Oil rig workers make nearly $100,000 a year - May. 10, 2012

The average wage for an oil field worker with less than a year experience is $67k/year, and goes up from there. The average was $99k/year in 2011. I have friends who barely made it through high school and goofed off afterwards. They're now living pretty decent lifestyles, easily affording houses and nice cars. That's more than I can say as a pilot...

This is true. I have friends and family in the oil field making ludicrous amounts of money for their education. However I am not so dull as to try and compare the back breaking labor in south Texas heat that they endure for 60 hours a week to what I do... I mean yes, it's somewhat disappointing that I spent years getting to the level I am at, only to make 24k a year again and start at the bottom..but to try and compare this job to working in an oil field?? How long do you think your body can withstand that kind of punishment? I'm too big a wuss for that..

snipeone 12-01-2014 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Brand X (Post 1773344)
Quit comparing yourself to a doctor or lawyer. ANY retard with enough money can become a regional airline pilot.

I got my private when I was 17 and my Dad taught me. When the big day came for my oral and checkride, he drove me to the airport and he waited and I passed and I was beaming. As he was a pilot also (USAF), on the way home he said some nice things and commended me on my accomplishment. He concluded his praise by saying, "But just remember this son. You can teach a damned monkey how to fly." I couldn't believe he said that, but later I realized he did so to keep my ego in check and I'm sure I needed that at the time. Years and years and thousands and thousands of hours later, I always remembered that at times when I was just so bored I could cry.


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