The likely story of 9e.

Reply Subscribe

Page 20 of 23

« First

Thread Tools

Search this Thread

12-18-2014 | 03:01 PM

#191

PCLCREW

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Mar 2008

Posts: 1,011

Likes: 0

From: Assistant Greens Keeper

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainNameless

The MCL will (most likely) never happen at any regional. Are you aware how little training an MCL has? Something like 60 flight hours in a piston single and 200 hours in a simulator. These most junior crew members should not even really be called pilots at the MCL level. If the captain becomes incapacitated enroute, there has to be a competent pilot remaining to land the airplane safely. So if you operate a 2 man crew, a real pilot (#3) would still be needed on board somewhere to step in. An MCL apprentice would never be allowed to be the crew of last resort.

Well how many hours do you think it take to make a pilot competent enough to land a commercial airliner. Last I checked we are not making a trap at night in high seas. Also from personally experience plenty of pilots with around 200 hours did just fine getting through Pinnacles training program and succefuly completed OE. There is a myth that hours equates to abitlity to do the job and it is only that a. MYTH. Ask anyone in any training department anywhere if using the metric of hours is at all substantive and they will likely tell you it is not.

You must be an FO with a statement like that...
Ya not all, but most people can push buttons and turn knobs when the time is right and pass check rides.
A 250 hour pilot does not have the proper decision making skills yet. I would much rather have a 1500 hour pilot sitting next to me, then a 250 hour pilot. The reason... Experience.
The difference between an 8000 hour guy and 10,000 usually not much... The difference between a 250 hour guy and a 1,500...Huge.

12-18-2014 | 03:04 PM

#192

CBreezy

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Jul 2013

Posts: 12,531

Likes: 1,128

Quote:

Originally Posted by PCLCREW

I agree with this 100%. I recognized a remarkable difference in my own piloting skills from when I had a wet commercial until I had 1000 dual given. The same situational awareness gains were made after 1000 SIC in the jet. I look back on what I wasn't aware that I didn't even know at 250 and can't believe they would let people get hired right at that number.

12-18-2014 | 06:45 PM

#193

vilcas

Thread Starter

Line Holder

Joined: Dec 2012

Posts: 396

Likes: 0

Let's play a game and point to all the accidents caused by a crew-member who didn't have enough hours. I will also leave you with something that I heard years ago and liked. There are pilots with 1500 hours of experience and there are pilots with one hours experience 1500 times.

12-19-2014 | 12:49 PM

#194

TalkTurkey

Banned

Joined: Oct 2014

Posts: 2,001

Likes: 0

From: 6 Train - Panhandler

Quote:

Originally Posted by vilcas

That's a good one. Also, the vast majority of airline crashes are with highly experienced pilots. So who knows which is more dangerous.

12-19-2014 | 01:04 PM

#195

skypilot35

Line Holder

Joined: Nov 2012

Posts: 622

Likes: 1

From: It's hot out here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TalkTurkey

That's a good one. Also, the vast majority of airline crashes are with highly experienced pilots. So who knows which is more dangerous.

How many U.S. Airline crashes have occurred in the last 5 years attributed to "pilot error"?

Experience counts. You don't know what you don't know.

12-19-2014 | 01:05 PM

#196

tom14cat14

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Apr 2007

Posts: 709

Likes: 0

From: 320

Quote:

Originally Posted by TalkTurkey

That's a good one. Also, the vast majority of airline crashes are with highly experienced pilots. So who knows which is more dangerous.

It is also because stats are skewed. There are more experienced pilots in the air than there are 250 hour pilots.

12-19-2014 | 01:06 PM

#197

Whiplash6

Banned

Joined: Dec 2014

Posts: 532

Likes: 0

Quote:

Originally Posted by skypilot35

How many U.S. Airline crashes have occurred in the last 5 years attributed to "pilot error"?

Experience counts. You don't know what you don't know.

Actually, the last 3 involved females. I'm just sayin.

12-19-2014 | 01:09 PM

#198

TalkTurkey

Banned

Joined: Oct 2014

Posts: 2,001

Likes: 0

From: 6 Train - Panhandler

Quote:

Originally Posted by skypilot35

How many U.S. Airline crashes have occurred in the last 5 years attributed to "pilot error"?

Experience counts. You don't know what you don't know.

Most crashes are cited as pilot error. That's a fact. As well as the fact that most of those errors were committed by well experienced pilots. Namely in the time between 1950-1980s.

I think we've gone off on a tangent a bit

12-19-2014 | 01:13 PM

#199

higney85

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Sep 2006

Posts: 2,613

Likes: 8

From: Bus driver

FO's now have interviews with DL and a higher commitment in 2016. Same as CA's for the process.

If you want to be at DL, 9E is the only place with that option beyond off the street.

12-19-2014 | 01:18 PM

#200

TalkTurkey

Banned

Joined: Oct 2014

Posts: 2,001

Likes: 0

From: 6 Train - Panhandler

Quote:

Originally Posted by higney85

FO's now have interviews with DL and a higher commitment in 2016. Same as CA's for the process.

If you want to be at DL, 9E is the only place with that option beyond off the street.

144 in 2015
180 in 2016
Is that in the neighborhood of 7-10 years? I'm no math major, hence the question.