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12-05-2014 | 04:41 AM

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If you think Delta owns Pinnacle or Endevour?! for "quality control", you do not understand Delta. All they care about is money. MONEY! Everything else is just a show. Your realize this isn't the first regional they've had. Most of us from ASA or Comair have been there before. Pinnacle is no different and nothing special. Sorry to break it to you. Also, even if upgrades are needed, they will not happen unless you have new FOs too. You can't have an airline full of captains.

Goodness... None of you read post. NO ONE SAID anything about "quality control".... Cost control yes. If you look at most of the companies that Delta own, they are simply a mechanism to control cost. 9E is no different from those other companies. There is a reason that Delta is the most profitable major airline in the US. Cost control. Part of the way they do it is by controlling similar companies that are vendors and a low cost. Just do a google search on all the subsidiaries that Delta own and see how they are intertwined within their operation and you will get a clear picture. Start with the oil rig. Endeavor is part of that mechanism. Simple....

Stop with all the emotional post and start posting facts. Not trying to start an argument, but I think it would be helpful for our fellow pilots to see facts. Also to the public that we are not all immature uneducated individuals.

12-05-2014 | 05:10 AM

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Maybe take your own advice about reading posts....

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..............it's a valid one and for those who are considering 9e I invite you to consider its merits. Keep in mind that Delta is spending lots of time and money trying to improve the regional side of the brand. They want the trip from Cedar Rapids to London to offer top notch service. Having control of the regional product the way they have with 9e gives this to them. Consider why Delta wants 9e to work.

12-05-2014 | 05:22 AM

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Goodness... None of you read post. NO ONE SAID anything about "quality control".... Cost control yes. If you look at most of the companies that Delta own, they are simply a mechanism to control cost. 9E is no different from...............

Maybe take your own advice about reading posts....

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..............it's a valid one and for those who are considering 9e I invite you to consider its merits. Keep in mind that Delta is spending lots of time and money trying to improve the regional side of the brand. They want the trip from Cedar Rapids to London to offer top notch service. Having control of the regional product the way they have with 9e gives this to them. Consider why Delta wants 9e to work.

I don't see this as quality control. In order for Delta to do this, 9E would have to own 100% of the regional feed. With regional spread among several different carriers it's impossible to have quality control.

Now Delta may route 900's or 175's on this route if there is a high amount of international travel to collect first class fees. 9E would be in this position along with other carriers. This is the "top notch" service I believe the OP was referring to. Delta is spending money on regional product as a whole...not just 9E.

You're welcome...

12-05-2014 | 05:30 AM

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....... I think at this point people believe Delta is serious about flying 200's at least in the near term........... Keep in mind that Delta is spending lots of time and money trying to improve the regional side of the brand............ Having control of the regional product the way they have with 9e gives this to them............. Consider why Delta wants 9e to work.

But Delta's bringing on Air Wisconsin, (a large and relatively expensive CRJ 200 operation who is about to wind down their feed for USAir). Doesn't that kinda shoots a big ol' hole in your assertion that Delta has big plans for Endeavor?

12-05-2014 | 05:31 AM

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12-05-2014 | 05:36 AM

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So if you had a time machine to ten years ago and you told all the regionals what was about to happen would they believe you? Or would they tell you something great is just around the corner.

Nothing great is just around the corner at any regional. Get your time and get out.

12-05-2014 | 05:48 AM

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Maybe take your own advice about reading posts....

Thank you for saving me time and trying to figure out how to do multiple quotes!

12-05-2014 | 05:57 AM

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I love that when someone has a positive outlook on life or job that you guys attack them. Let them be happy would ya.

12-05-2014 | 06:10 AM

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Ummmm, OK.

BTW, I'm welcome for what?

12-05-2014 | 06:57 AM

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Must be nice is fairy tail land... It's all unicorns and puppy dogs for Endeavor.

Nobody said it's all great. Even at Mainline you will find things to complain about. Just go read the major forums. I just listed all the facts at 9E to show it's not as bad as some are saying on here. As stepping stool for the next stage in your career, 9E is not a bad place to choose. EVERY employer has their dark side. But don't go to a regional to make a career out of it. Choose one that has a viable business plan for some foreseeable future, get your experience and move on. It's that simple.

In this career, there are bound to be hiccups. Economy, terrorist threats, consolidation and new FAA regs. Very big variables that could affect your career. But if you can stay focused and work hard, the career can be rewarding.

But jumping from regional to regional expecting fast results is not the way to do it. I've always believed slow and steady is better than fast and turbulent. Taking the "It's my money and I want it now" approach will hurt you in the end. You'll end up paying a chunk of what is owed to you when if you would have been patient, you would have had it all.

Again, 9E not a bad place to START your career once you see all the facts listed. Get your experience and move on. Simple...

For some reason you guys think that those of us who left wish bad things for Endeavor. That couldn't be farther from the truth. Endeavor has great people and I met some great friends there... I can't speak for everyone on here, but the point of my posts are for you guys to get out, and fast. You guys are just wasting time in your career by staying, and I hate to see it. I find it so hard to believe that you guys are buying into this crap. They want you to stay, and don't care that your wasting valuable career time doing it.
As far as new hires... If I was walking distance to one of their bases I still wouldn't go there... I know you guys wanted it to work and I did to over the 7 years I was there. I was one of the lucky ones to go to a major, but even if that had not happened I would have been gone.
Take the blinders off guys.