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01-31-2015 | 03:14 PM

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BenS

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A conditional bonus is money in your pocket, yes, but it is not a pay raise. Pay raises are contractual and enforceable, conditional bonuses are temporary and can disappear faster than they came to exist. So, it may be money for you to go play with, but in 2 years you might find yourself trying to live with no conditional bonus, plan and live carefully...

01-31-2015 | 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by snippercr

Uh. Im a 4th year FO at Envoy and I know I'll still be an FO in 4 years.

With all of the movement at other places, why are you staying?

02-01-2015 | 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosgr

With all of the movement at other places, why are you staying?

Because of the magnificent Flowthru that is about to slow/stop now.

Goodluck.

02-01-2015 | 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosgr

With all of the movement at other places, why are you staying?

Even with all the movement that is projected mainline jobs are not guaranteed. Despite what people say PIC is not required but it certainly helps, and as a FO at Envoy you won't be getting any of that.

02-01-2015 | 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bzzt

Upgrades will be non existent at envoy and here is why:

1. Are new hires knocking the door at eny? If no, well there is problem
#1.

2. With the Flow to mainline stopping/slowing, there won't be any more upward movement as the C7's leave. See #3.

3. When are the C7 leaving? April? So displacements are inevitable. With No new equipment arriving (175's) till 2016, Jr Ca's are going back to FO.

4. The same 300-400 Top Sr. "lifers" will most probably bid the new and improved (still junk) E175's.

Goodluck!

02-01-2015 | 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Whiplash6

A conditional bonus is not a pay raise.

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Originally Posted by Pilottim79

Too bad, if they really cared about their staffing and pilots they would have just given them an all around better contract than just some mythical temporary carrot.

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Originally Posted by BenS

People, this bonus is an actual TA/LOA that will be IN THE CONTRACT, just as enforceable as everything else in the contract, not just some gentleman's handshake on the part of Delta.

02-01-2015 | 05:39 AM

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Whiplash6

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Originally Posted by IBPilot

People, this bonus is an actual TA/LOA that will be IN THE CONTRACT, just as enforceable as everything else in the contract, not just some gentleman's handshake on the part of Delta.

Still not a pay raise.

02-01-2015 | 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Whiplash6

Still not a pay raise.

I'll think of you on may 1rst when I get my $6,666 check.

And again on Sept 1rst and again at the 1rst of the year.

If I still work here, that is.

02-01-2015 | 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Whiplash6

Still not a pay raise.

Well Uncle Sam will look at it as income, unless goes into the 401k

02-01-2015 | 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bartok

I'll think of you on may 1rst when I get my $6,666 check.

And again on Sept 1rst and again at the 1rst of the year.

If I still work here, that is.

As long as you admit this retention bonus a) isn't a pay raise and b) won't actually retain you, I wouldn't care if it were a check for $26,666.

Good for you on a personal level. I'm sure this money that brings your overall pay back to industry standard helps tremendously for you and your family. But it's not a pay raise, it's a conditional bonus.