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03-14-2015 | 04:20 PM
#11
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Sooner or later, management has to limit this. It has the potential to:
A. Black-list certain captains and FOs
B. Create dissention in the cockpit when it becomes known (and it will)
D. Make Scheduling tear out their hair
E. Allow 'crew feelings' to run the airline
The concept of not pairing people who can't get along may improve CRM in the short term, but it undermines the professionalism of the pilots in both seats.
What were they(mgmt) thinking? Where's the union in this?
A. Black-list certain captains and FOs
B. Create dissention in the cockpit when it becomes known (and it will)
D. Make Scheduling tear out their hair
E. Allow 'crew feelings' to run the airline
The concept of not pairing people who can't get along may improve CRM in the short term, but it undermines the professionalism of the pilots in both seats.
What were they(mgmt) thinking? Where's the union in this?
Occasionally it serves to help management identify CAs who need some help...If several hundred FOs bid avoid someone, and tell their buddies to bid avoid her then maybe there really is an issue.
But FOs have an incentive to use the tool sparingly...otherwise their QOL sucks because they can't get the pairings they want.
03-14-2015 | 04:35 PM
#12
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From: PNF
You're wrong. Many airlines have this. Normally it serves to prevent rare combinations where the personalities involved just don't mix well...like a marine major who bid avoids a hippy wannabe who rants about politics.
Occasionally it serves to help management identify CAs who need some help...If several hundred FOs bid avoid someone, and tell their buddies to bid avoid her then maybe there really is an issue.
But FOs have an incentive to use the tool sparingly...otherwise their QOL sucks because they can't get the pairings they want.
Occasionally it serves to help management identify CAs who need some help...If several hundred FOs bid avoid someone, and tell their buddies to bid avoid her then maybe there really is an issue.
But FOs have an incentive to use the tool sparingly...otherwise their QOL sucks because they can't get the pairings they want.
I think this is a healthy tool to identify troublemakers or people that simply, don't belong in the culture. It's a shame captain's can't have the same list for FO's. I personally will fly with a person once, evaluate why they were an a$$ on the overnight, try to fix the problem the next day, then give them the axe if it didn't work. On the list they go!
03-14-2015 | 04:38 PM
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You're wrong. Many airlines have this. Normally it serves to prevent rare combinations where the personalities involved just don't mix well...like a marine major who bid avoids a hippy wannabe who rants about politics.
Occasionally it serves to help management identify CAs who need some help...If several hundred FOs bid avoid someone, and tell their buddies to bid avoid her then maybe there really is an issue.
But FOs have an incentive to use the tool sparingly...otherwise their QOL sucks because they can't get the pairings they want.
Occasionally it serves to help management identify CAs who need some help...If several hundred FOs bid avoid someone, and tell their buddies to bid avoid her then maybe there really is an issue.
But FOs have an incentive to use the tool sparingly...otherwise their QOL sucks because they can't get the pairings they want.
03-14-2015 | 04:53 PM
#14
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Whoa.. who said it was a she? haha. Something to confess?
I think this is a healthy tool to identify troublemakers or people that simply, don't belong in the culture. It's a shame captain's can't have the same list for FO's. I personally will fly with a person once, evaluate why they were an a$$ on the overnight, try to fix the problem the next day, then give them the axe if it didn't work. On the list they go!
I think this is a healthy tool to identify troublemakers or people that simply, don't belong in the culture. It's a shame captain's can't have the same list for FO's. I personally will fly with a person once, evaluate why they were an a$$ on the overnight, try to fix the problem the next day, then give them the axe if it didn't work. On the list they go!
Someone's got it right!
Professionalism, patience, empathy, and giving people a break can only work for so long. Better this than to have a huge issue that leads to a compromise in safety.
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03-15-2015 | 11:41 AM
#15
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You're wrong. Many airlines have this. Normally it serves to prevent rare combinations where the personalities involved just don't mix well...like a marine major who bid avoids a hippy wannabe who rants about politics.
Occasionally it serves to help management identify CAs who need some help...If several hundred FOs bid avoid someone, and tell their buddies to bid avoid her then maybe there really is an issue.
But FOs have an incentive to use the tool sparingly...otherwise their QOL sucks because they can't get the pairings they want.
Occasionally it serves to help management identify CAs who need some help...If several hundred FOs bid avoid someone, and tell their buddies to bid avoid her then maybe there really is an issue.
But FOs have an incentive to use the tool sparingly...otherwise their QOL sucks because they can't get the pairings they want.
03-15-2015 | 11:53 AM
#16
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03-15-2015 | 12:00 PM
#17
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03-15-2015 | 12:14 PM
#18
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03-15-2015 | 01:06 PM
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