Mike Enzi's attempts to repeal the ATP Law
03-21-2015 | 10:23 AM
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ATP? ELOHEL. ATP Flight School is a ripoff. 90-day program.....yikes.
There are high school dropouts with a GED getting hired at regionals right now who failed 4+ primary checkrides and went from the front desk at jiffy lube to the right seat in less than two years.
It's not even a comparison.
There are high school dropouts with a GED getting hired at regionals right now who failed 4+ primary checkrides and went from the front desk at jiffy lube to the right seat in less than two years.
It's not even a comparison.
03-21-2015 | 10:46 AM
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I'm a newly minted commercial pilot, SEL only, and it takes a hustle getting a measly .7 or 1.1 here and there.
Very few 135 commuter outfits hire at commercial mins, and the ones that do have WAY too many guys applying.
I have mixed feelings about repealing the FO Qualification Rule, because obviously it's bad for the profession as a whole, however, the positions from getting to ATP mins , or even 135 mins for that matter are scant. (Unless you become an instructor) I've been told This used not to be the case...
Personally, i'm in it for the love flying , but I think part of the reason fewer people are signing up for the profession is that there is no well defined path to "make it". The pilot has to shoulder the entire burden. Possibly for upwards of 5 years. In the case of the FO rule, The FAA (...on behalf of congress) has raised the bar significantly without providing any sort of initiative to fill the gap it created.
Relax the Part 135 SIC logging rules anyone?
Increase the less than 9 to less than 19 to encourage more small operators to open doors?
Very few 135 commuter outfits hire at commercial mins, and the ones that do have WAY too many guys applying.
I have mixed feelings about repealing the FO Qualification Rule, because obviously it's bad for the profession as a whole, however, the positions from getting to ATP mins , or even 135 mins for that matter are scant. (Unless you become an instructor) I've been told This used not to be the case...
Personally, i'm in it for the love flying , but I think part of the reason fewer people are signing up for the profession is that there is no well defined path to "make it". The pilot has to shoulder the entire burden. Possibly for upwards of 5 years. In the case of the FO rule, The FAA (...on behalf of congress) has raised the bar significantly without providing any sort of initiative to fill the gap it created.
Relax the Part 135 SIC logging rules anyone?
Increase the less than 9 to less than 19 to encourage more small operators to open doors?
03-21-2015 | 03:45 PM
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A hundred thousand isn't necessary to become a pilot; not by a long shot.
Many are willing to invest in becoming a pilot.
Not so many are willing to fly for a regional. There are other career paths, generally chosen by the more savvy who don't wish to prostitute themselves for the sake of "hours."
Those who hire on with the likes of Great Lakes know what they're getting into; pick up one end of the stick, pick up the other. Nobody puts a gun to their head and forces them to seek, or accept employment there. People get employed there because they think it benefits them, period.
As for Riverton...there's nothing in Riverton. There are plenty of places in Wyoming where people must drive a fair distance to get a flight. I lived closer to a town that GLA served, but drove the extra distance to hit Cody or Billings, instead. More choices, better service, better equipment, better companies.
Many are willing to invest in becoming a pilot.
Not so many are willing to fly for a regional. There are other career paths, generally chosen by the more savvy who don't wish to prostitute themselves for the sake of "hours."
Those who hire on with the likes of Great Lakes know what they're getting into; pick up one end of the stick, pick up the other. Nobody puts a gun to their head and forces them to seek, or accept employment there. People get employed there because they think it benefits them, period.
As for Riverton...there's nothing in Riverton. There are plenty of places in Wyoming where people must drive a fair distance to get a flight. I lived closer to a town that GLA served, but drove the extra distance to hit Cody or Billings, instead. More choices, better service, better equipment, better companies.
03-21-2015 | 03:56 PM
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I'm sure you could get all that when a 152 rented for $30 and hour and the instruction was $10 an hour, but those days are long gone.
I know a Delta captain who hadn't been around GA since his training days and went looking for someplace to send his son to learn to fly and was shocked at the cost now.
03-21-2015 | 08:15 PM
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Can you explain this about EAS, I thought the taxes on the airline tickets pay for the govt. svcs such as airport fees and atc. Also, couldn't the farm folks drive to a bigger city to get service? I can think of a few places that got EAS and are within 2-3 hrs drive of a city with airline service.
In the big scheme of things 200M a year for the EAS is pretty small fries.
03-22-2015 | 06:26 AM
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FlyingKat, you are exactly right about what it costs to get your ratings now. It is virtually impossible to do it for less than $60-75k. The average is well above that.
The pilots of yesteryear are vastly uninformed of what it costs today. I spent some time at one of the more reasonably priced flight schools. Major airline pilots would bring their kids in and could not believe the current training costs. And they did their homework to find cheaper alternatives. They aren't out there.
Then add the cost of a college degree if you plan to go to a major.
Anyone who thinks differently, PLEASE find a young person interested in flight training and mentor them. Do some research and try to help them find a more economical way to do it. You will be enlightened and surprised.
The facts are, the career has been destroyed to the point it is no longer desirable AND the ROI isn't worth the time and financial investment for most people.
The pilots of yesteryear are vastly uninformed of what it costs today. I spent some time at one of the more reasonably priced flight schools. Major airline pilots would bring their kids in and could not believe the current training costs. And they did their homework to find cheaper alternatives. They aren't out there.
Then add the cost of a college degree if you plan to go to a major.
Anyone who thinks differently, PLEASE find a young person interested in flight training and mentor them. Do some research and try to help them find a more economical way to do it. You will be enlightened and surprised.
The facts are, the career has been destroyed to the point it is no longer desirable AND the ROI isn't worth the time and financial investment for most people.
03-22-2015 | 02:33 PM
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Didn't mean to come off as blunt, but yeah, you're right, those old jobs are a lot fewer and farer between these days. Becoming an instructor at a decent sized school is essentially the default (only?) option in many locations. There's the odd parachute dropping or banner towing opportunity here and there, but your IFR skills will suffer.
03-22-2015 | 03:22 PM
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A hundred thousand isn't necessary to become a pilot; not by a long shot.
Many are willing to invest in becoming a pilot.
Not so many are willing to fly for a regional. There are other career paths, generally chosen by the more savvy who don't wish to prostitute themselves for the sake of "hours."
Those who hire on with the likes of Great Lakes know what they're getting into; pick up one end of the stick, pick up the other. Nobody puts a gun to their head and forces them to seek, or accept employment there. People get employed there because they think it benefits them, period.
As for Riverton...there's nothing in Riverton. There are plenty of places in Wyoming where people must drive a fair distance to get a flight. I lived closer to a town that GLA served, but drove the extra distance to hit Cody or Billings, instead. More choices, better service, better equipment, better companies.
Many are willing to invest in becoming a pilot.
Not so many are willing to fly for a regional. There are other career paths, generally chosen by the more savvy who don't wish to prostitute themselves for the sake of "hours."
Those who hire on with the likes of Great Lakes know what they're getting into; pick up one end of the stick, pick up the other. Nobody puts a gun to their head and forces them to seek, or accept employment there. People get employed there because they think it benefits them, period.
As for Riverton...there's nothing in Riverton. There are plenty of places in Wyoming where people must drive a fair distance to get a flight. I lived closer to a town that GLA served, but drove the extra distance to hit Cody or Billings, instead. More choices, better service, better equipment, better companies.
With that in mind, you are assuming someone "does all the research" and "makes all the right choices" before they really have the ability to do it, from a cognitive ability and information perspective. What is happening to a large extent in our industry is people are making the decision to become a pilot before this point, becoming "committed" to that course of action financially, and then realizing the folly of their path, after all the information (aka, "experience") is known.
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