Mike Enzi's attempts to repeal the ATP Law
03-20-2015, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by airtaxi101
EAS=Welfare air. Gotta love Crony capitalism....
03-20-2015, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
I thought it was incredible they got the FAA to sign off on the 135 exemption. Goes to show how flexible the FAA can be with airlines when they want to be.
It was GL that tried to get around actually removing their seats. The FAA stood firm that if they wanted to act like a P135 carrier that they BECOME a P135 carrier (at least on those specificed routes)
Their aircraft still flying P121 lines fly under those the appropriate rules are they not?
03-20-2015, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
They insisted that Great Lakes configure their aircraft like any other P135 operator.
It was GL that tried to get around actually removing their seats. The FAA stood firm that if they wanted to act like a P135 carrier that they BECOME a P135 carrier (at least on those specificed routes)
Their aircraft still flying P121 lines fly under those the appropriate rules are they not?
It was GL that tried to get around actually removing their seats. The FAA stood firm that if they wanted to act like a P135 carrier that they BECOME a P135 carrier (at least on those specificed routes)
Their aircraft still flying P121 lines fly under those the appropriate rules are they not?
The three main problems I have with it are
(1) it's is none other than a workaround of FAA rules (the ATP Rule) which are specifically intended to increase regional airline safety.
(2) the paying passengers do not know what is going on and probably would not like this if they did know what it means for them, and
(3) if the CA goes kaput you have a 250 (500?) hour wonder in charge of a dozen paying passengers in a Beech 1900 going 250kts in potentially bad weather with no certified gps or even a working autopilot.
Is it legal? Apparently. Is it safe? There is reason to doubt and/or debate that.
03-20-2015, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom
Quite a bit of your "Welfare Air" goes to move those miserable people who grow your food. Farm and rural folk pay money in the form of taxes, until the air transportation industry pays for every segment of their business, via fees and taxes, those "welfare air" folks get a shot at the transportation industry they support via taxes.
Can you explain this about EAS, I thought the taxes on the airline tickets pay for the govt. svcs such as airport fees and atc. Also, couldn't the farm folks drive to a bigger city to get service? I can think of a few places that got EAS and are within 2-3 hrs drive of a city with airline service.
03-20-2015, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
Well I do not get much inside data from there, but what you say sounds correct from what people say here about it.
The three main problems I have with it are
(1) it's is none other than a workaround of FAA rules (the ATP Rule) which are specifically intended to increase regional airline safety.
(2) the paying passengers do not know what is going on and probably would not like this if they did know what it means for them, and
(3) if the CA goes kaput you have a 250 (500?) hour wonder in charge of a dozen paying passengers in a Beech 1900 going 250kts in potentially bad weather with no certified gps or even a working autopilot.
Is it legal? Apparently. Is it safe? There is reason to doubt and/or debate that.
The three main problems I have with it are
(1) it's is none other than a workaround of FAA rules (the ATP Rule) which are specifically intended to increase regional airline safety.
(2) the paying passengers do not know what is going on and probably would not like this if they did know what it means for them, and
(3) if the CA goes kaput you have a 250 (500?) hour wonder in charge of a dozen paying passengers in a Beech 1900 going 250kts in potentially bad weather with no certified gps or even a working autopilot.
Is it legal? Apparently. Is it safe? There is reason to doubt and/or debate that.
I'm only repeating what has been shared on the many GLA threads that you and I have both read.
All of those concerns are true - but no different than they are from any other P135 carrier. Some of those operating single pilot even I thought.
As much as some might not like them -- there are slightly different rules for the two. If GLA operates under the P135 like any other operator would - then it would actually be unfair to the business to NOT let them convert part of their certificate
03-20-2015, 12:52 PM
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I do not know what the differences between 121 and 135 passenger ops are. Good question for someone who does know. I have 121 passenger experience and 135 cargo experience, which is not enough to go on.
03-20-2015, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bedrock
Can you explain this about EAS, I thought the taxes on the airline tickets pay for the govt. svcs such as airport fees and atc. Also, couldn't the farm folks drive to a bigger city to get service? I can think of a few places that got EAS and are within 2-3 hrs drive of a city with airline service.
03-20-2015, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Fegelein
You don't need to "invest" $100,000+ to get into this career. I paid around $10K for my private, instrument, commercial and multiengine ratings and was at a major 5 years later.
03-20-2015, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Fegelein
You don't need to "invest" $100,000+ to get into this career. I paid around $10K for my private, instrument, commercial and multiengine ratings and was at a major 5 years later.
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