Mike Enzi's attempts to repeal the ATP Law
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Which part about comparing this profession to doctors is a joke? The idea that training is expensive? Or the idea that the job is serious? If a doctor goes through his training and makes a mistake on his first patient, how many people die? If a new-hire f/o makes a mistake at his new rj job, how many people might die? Nah, this stuff isn't serious and shouldn't be treated as such... Its all such a joke..
Idk, I think the comparison is fair... Should we compare pilots to teachers? Firefighters? What do you compare this job to and why?
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Comparing pilots to doctors is a joke depending on how you slice it. They share similar levels of responsibility, but the barriers to entry for a regional pilot (and scope of training) are far, far less than for an MD. A major pilot, especially a CA, might be a reasonable comparison w/ level of responsibility, time/effort invested, social status, and income.
Usually only newly-minted regional FO's get butt-hurt when you don't enable their self-comparison to the medical profession
Usually only newly-minted regional FO's get butt-hurt when you don't enable their self-comparison to the medical profession
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$100k plus is more than possible to spend.. I didn't spend that much, but I sure wasn't below $50k either.. truth is at ATP its $10k for a private and $75k (last I checked, I think) for the "career path".. could you do it elsewhere and save 10-20-up to 30%? Perhaps, but want to go to a "real airline" don't forget you'll be told you need a degree too!
Which part about comparing this profession to doctors is a joke? The idea that training is expensive? Or the idea that the job is serious? If a doctor goes through his training and makes a mistake on his first patient, how many people die? If a new-hire f/o makes a mistake at his new rj job, how many people might die? Nah, this stuff isn't serious and shouldn't be treated as such... Its all such a joke..
Idk, I think the comparison is fair... Should we compare pilots to teachers? Firefighters? What do you compare this job to and why?
Which part about comparing this profession to doctors is a joke? The idea that training is expensive? Or the idea that the job is serious? If a doctor goes through his training and makes a mistake on his first patient, how many people die? If a new-hire f/o makes a mistake at his new rj job, how many people might die? Nah, this stuff isn't serious and shouldn't be treated as such... Its all such a joke..
Idk, I think the comparison is fair... Should we compare pilots to teachers? Firefighters? What do you compare this job to and why?
There are high school dropouts with a GED getting hired at regionals right now who failed 4+ primary checkrides and went from the front desk at jiffy lube to the right seat in less than two years.
It's not even a comparison.
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I firmly believe you are delusional if you consider what is required to get a job at a regional equal to an MD.
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I used to take a lot of undergrad college chemistry courses before switching out. I took 3 full years before deciding this stuff is too boring to do for a lifetime. The pre-med kids were all enrolled in the same courses. These kids were completely obsessed with MCAT (medical college entrance exam), all they talked about. Are we ready to take the MCAT? Is the prep course admitting any more students this summer? What was your practice score last time? On and on. It was apparently a gauntlet and these kids were all dean's list students.
#59
I'm a newly minted commercial pilot, SEL only, and it takes a hustle getting a measly .7 or 1.1 here and there.
Very few 135 commuter outfits hire at commercial mins, and the ones that do have WAY too many guys applying.
I have mixed feelings about repealing the FO Qualification Rule, because obviously it's bad for the profession as a whole, however, the positions from getting to ATP mins , or even 135 mins for that matter are scant. (Unless you become an instructor) I've been told This used not to be the case...
Personally, i'm in it for the love flying , but I think part of the reason fewer people are signing up for the profession is that there is no well defined path to "make it". The pilot has to shoulder the entire burden. Possibly for upwards of 5 years. In the case of the FO rule, The FAA (...on behalf of congress) has raised the bar significantly without providing any sort of initiative to fill the gap it created.
Relax the Part 135 SIC logging rules anyone?
Increase the less than 9 to less than 19 to encourage more small operators to open doors?
Very few 135 commuter outfits hire at commercial mins, and the ones that do have WAY too many guys applying.
I have mixed feelings about repealing the FO Qualification Rule, because obviously it's bad for the profession as a whole, however, the positions from getting to ATP mins , or even 135 mins for that matter are scant. (Unless you become an instructor) I've been told This used not to be the case...
Personally, i'm in it for the love flying , but I think part of the reason fewer people are signing up for the profession is that there is no well defined path to "make it". The pilot has to shoulder the entire burden. Possibly for upwards of 5 years. In the case of the FO rule, The FAA (...on behalf of congress) has raised the bar significantly without providing any sort of initiative to fill the gap it created.
Relax the Part 135 SIC logging rules anyone?
Increase the less than 9 to less than 19 to encourage more small operators to open doors?
Isn't capitalism great! But most of your generation would be in favor of free, government funded flight training.
Why should they have to provide an "initiative" ? More of the entitlement mentality of today's youth. If you "love" flying as you state, you should be willing to work toward your flying goals.
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Comparing pilots to doctors is a joke depending on how you slice it. They share similar levels of responsibility, but the barriers to entry for a regional pilot (and scope of training) are far, far less than for an MD. A major pilot, especially a CA, might be a reasonable comparison w/ level of responsibility, time/effort invested, social status, and income.
Usually only newly-minted regional FO's get butt-hurt when you don't enable their self-comparison to the medical profession
Usually only newly-minted regional FO's get butt-hurt when you don't enable their self-comparison to the medical profession

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