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ThreeStripe 05-07-2015 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by CFIGUY22 (Post 1875760)
Am I missing something? Doesn't RAH own their own airplanes? Even if the contract was terminated the other airline that received the flying would have to order planes since the airframes are owned by RAH.

The logical thing for RAH to do with them is to lease them to bring in some revenue for the shareholders. Crazy to think that he would lease the planes to the company they lost the flying to, but he is responsible to the shareholders and no one else. He will do what they tell him to do, even if it means turning RAH into a leasing company.

ThreeStripe 05-07-2015 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 1875744)
Lol. Uh ok. Whatever you say. Then you should be getting them any day, right? So you even have Sim time blocked and ready to go, huh? CKA all ready (even with zero time in the plane)? Please. XJT at the bare minimums are mid 2016 before you'd be ready for it. You're being lied to in order to get suckers to stay there.

Not looking for an argument good sir, just stating the fact that the paperwork side of things is done. No SIM time or CKA yet that I know of.

GoHomeLeg 05-07-2015 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by ThreeStripe (Post 1875803)
The logical thing for RAH to do with them is to lease them to bring in some revenue for the shareholders. Crazy to think that he would lease the planes to the company they lost the flying to, but he is responsible to the shareholders and no one else. He will do what they tell him to do, even if it means turning RAH into a leasing company.

Scope within RAH's CBA with the pilot group scope would not allow that.

morerightrudder 05-07-2015 05:07 PM

Interesting note from the earnings announcement:

Delta Air Lines exercised its right to extend 24 aircraft under the Shuttle America ERJ code-share agreement from May 2016 to May 2021. The Company currently operates 41 aircraft under the agreement with Delta, of which 17 can be removed by Delta with 90 days prior written notice.

ThreeStripe 05-07-2015 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg (Post 1875815)
Scope within RAH's CBA with the pilot group scope would not allow that.

Glad to hear you have that protection. No caveat about "unless no RAH pilot is furloughed" or anything similar is there?

lavService 05-07-2015 06:08 PM

My theory still stands that Delta extended the contract in order to sue Republic/Shuttle for breach of contract and either bring United and or American into the same world of hurt that Delta is in. Republic and or Shuttle will most certainly have to declare bankruptcy for their failure to meet contract obligations. Could that be the reason to put the new United 175's on the Republic certificate? Shield the Republic side from the world of hurt Shuttle is going through. Heller already bounced or was fired how long until Bedford can find a better gig?

spaaks 05-07-2015 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by morerightrudder (Post 1875819)
Interesting note from the earnings announcement:

Delta Air Lines exercised its right to extend 24 aircraft under the Shuttle America ERJ code-share agreement from May 2016 to May 2021. The Company currently operates 41 aircraft under the agreement with Delta, of which 17 can be removed by Delta with 90 days prior written notice.

For those that think 50's are dissapearing right away, apparently delta likes 50 seaters enough to keep them around another 6 years. I'm assuming the majors were smart and hedged a bunch of fuel at when it was under $50/barrell and plans on using it to keep the 50's flying as long as they can be staffed

GoHomeLeg 05-08-2015 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by ThreeStripe (Post 1875825)
Glad to hear you have that protection. No caveat about "unless no RAH pilot is furloughed" or anything similar is there?

That is also in there but wouldn't be applicable under that situation. I think it is worded that any leases must not cause a furlough. But that is meant to protect against leasing to foreign carriers (which we have/are doing. I believe they could get away with leasing the aircraft to foreign carriers under this clause. However, for the domestic market (the situations discussed earlier in the thread) it would not be possible under the current contract.

flyguy23 05-08-2015 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by lavService (Post 1875867)
My theory still stands that Delta extended the contract in order to sue Republic/Shuttle for breach of contract and either bring United and or American into the same world of hurt that Delta is in. Republic and or Shuttle will most certainly have to declare bankruptcy for their failure to meet contract obligations. Could that be the reason to put the new United 175's on the Republic certificate? Shield the Republic side from the world of hurt Shuttle is going through. Heller already bounced or was fired how long until Bedford can find a better gig?

Delta extended the 145 contract due to the failure of signing a 50 seat contract with air whiskey. Very simple...

GoHomeLeg 05-08-2015 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by lavService (Post 1875867)
My theory still stands that Delta extended the contract in order to sue Republic/Shuttle for breach of contract and either bring United and or American into the same world of hurt that Delta is in. Republic and or Shuttle will most certainly have to declare bankruptcy for their failure to meet contract obligations. Could that be the reason to put the new United 175's on the Republic certificate? Shield the Republic side from the world of hurt Shuttle is going through. Heller already bounced or was fired how long until Bedford can find a better gig?

Why would Delta do that? The 145s are not going to be the first thing staffed and have the fastest upgrade. There will be pilots to fly it. Furthermore, if Delta really wanted to bring other airlines into "the same world of hurt" and perhaps do a huge amount of damage they could purchase a regional that mainly does flying for another mainline carrier and put those planes/pilots where you want them. In this environment it would be devastating to mainline feed.


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