No, dummy, RA pay is NOT "Capitalism"
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The CQFO program is in the contract. How is that, or any other union approved incentives, breaking status quo?
#22
skywest has no new hire bonus unless you come in with a CRJ type
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Their business model is not your concern or your problem. They pay us to fly airplanes. They pay bean counters to count beans. They pay planners to plan.
The original poster says its not capitalism, but its not true. Company wants to pay a certain rate. There is a group of pilots who agree with that rate and fly the airplanes. It's just that simple. Pilot shortage is a direct result of capitalism working as its supposed to. The company wants to pay a certain rate but there is not enough pilots for a variety of reason to satisfy their need for pilots. What to do?
The original poster says its not capitalism, but its not true. Company wants to pay a certain rate. There is a group of pilots who agree with that rate and fly the airplanes. It's just that simple. Pilot shortage is a direct result of capitalism working as its supposed to. The company wants to pay a certain rate but there is not enough pilots for a variety of reason to satisfy their need for pilots. What to do?
#26
I think you are still missing the point though. Everything that was just said assumes regional airlines should continue to exist. They should not. Pilots should be doing everything they can to accelerate their demise.
If pilots cannot negotiate an extraordinary contract at this level, then no contract at all should be agreed to, just let nature take its course.
Pilots are dumb and short sited. Regional flying is nearly 50% of all airline flying, that's not small potatoes. You might not be able to strike, but you can certainly ensure that you are doing your part to see that your regional airline can't survive.
The solution is to make things so expensive for your company that it is not profitable to continue operating it, thereby forcing aircraft back home to mainline.
Everyone complains, complains, complains, but nobody has the guts to do anything meaningful. The solution is so simple but so few can see it. Pilots should start by dumping their unions and just let anarchy reign. Unions at the regional level are nothing more then a focal point where airlines maintain control- take that away and let the company deal with each pilot individually and see what happens.
Everyone sounds like they are waiting for someone to help them. Helps not coming, most of you are too new to know nothing has changed in 20 years. Pick up your pitchforks or just wait it out till it's your turn at mainline, what will it be?
If pilots cannot negotiate an extraordinary contract at this level, then no contract at all should be agreed to, just let nature take its course.
Pilots are dumb and short sited. Regional flying is nearly 50% of all airline flying, that's not small potatoes. You might not be able to strike, but you can certainly ensure that you are doing your part to see that your regional airline can't survive.
The solution is to make things so expensive for your company that it is not profitable to continue operating it, thereby forcing aircraft back home to mainline.
Everyone complains, complains, complains, but nobody has the guts to do anything meaningful. The solution is so simple but so few can see it. Pilots should start by dumping their unions and just let anarchy reign. Unions at the regional level are nothing more then a focal point where airlines maintain control- take that away and let the company deal with each pilot individually and see what happens.
Everyone sounds like they are waiting for someone to help them. Helps not coming, most of you are too new to know nothing has changed in 20 years. Pick up your pitchforks or just wait it out till it's your turn at mainline, what will it be?
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Majors are above "market rate"?
Hardly...
If your only considering the US, well then they set the market rate.
And if you compare international and contract jobs they're either on par or lower than market rate.
How much do you think a E190/A320 captain is worth from and international perspective? If anything the "majors" are still below market rate.
Overall theory is correct though, the regionals are obviously not paying market rate. We are all trapped by the seniority system, in some ways it benefits certain people, but overall pay rates it doesn't help at all. Bedford would love to be hiring FOs at 40-50k right now, but he doesn't want to at the same time double CA pay.
Hardly...
If your only considering the US, well then they set the market rate.
And if you compare international and contract jobs they're either on par or lower than market rate.
How much do you think a E190/A320 captain is worth from and international perspective? If anything the "majors" are still below market rate.
Overall theory is correct though, the regionals are obviously not paying market rate. We are all trapped by the seniority system, in some ways it benefits certain people, but overall pay rates it doesn't help at all. Bedford would love to be hiring FOs at 40-50k right now, but he doesn't want to at the same time double CA pay.
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Yes once again as you stated its temporary!!! In your own words after you took a massive concession. How did your bonus bring the industry up when you took a massive concession. My point is this we can all look at any airline and try to sling mud or we can actually try to start doing something about it. I just get sick of this justifying the actions of your pilot group mentality while you try to bash other pilot groups!!!
#30
Exactly, at the turn of the century and a little beyond, when workers were being killed by unsafe business practices and basically treated as slaves, they stood up against it. Some went to jail, some died, some lost their jobs, but it got so bad they wouldn't take it anymore. At some point, the good of their industry and everyone outweighed their personal concerns and safety.
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