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Old 05-11-2015 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Whiplash6
The regionals are the only way major airline pilots can gauge themselves professionally. They get to turn their noses up to the regional pilot as he passes by in the concourses only to log onto the forums and hand down life lessons, all while keeping completely silent in your jumpseat. They may beat their wives, wear white sneakers with stone washed jeans, and have a son that despises them...but at the end of the day, at least they're not regional pilots.
There are plenty of us at mainline who wanted to hold the line at 50 seats so that everything above that would go to mainline. It wouldn't help us, but it would stem the tide of scope creep. We lost that battle due to more senior pilots accepting weakened scope.

In fact, there are plenty of us who would like all flying to be under mainline but that's a tough genie to put back in the bottle.


Your post stereotyped mainline pilots. I could do the same by posting about the brand new regional pilot who had his epaulets on backward. When I told him that, he said, 'are you sure'? So all of you regional pilots wear your epaulets backward.
That was no less silly than your post.
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Old 05-11-2015 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Gloop, with the openers for DAL section 6, neither side wanted to touch RJ scope. The mainline union didn't even ask for a pie-in-the-sky recapture of flying.
How do you know what was in either opener? If you do know, please share because we're all trying to find out.

While "doing nothing" is certainlly a possibility in either or both openers and/or any eventual TA, just doing that (IOW nothing) won't help the regional model remain viable in the slightest. I'd rathr have recapture/sunsetting/etc too, but letting it die off on its own is far from the worst thing that could happen.
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Old 05-11-2015 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
How do you know what was in either opener? If you do know, please share because we're all trying to find out.

While "doing nothing" is certainlly a possibility in either or both openers and/or any eventual TA, just doing that (IOW nothing) won't help the regional model remain viable in the slightest. I'd rathr have recapture/sunsetting/etc too, but letting it die off on its own is far from the worst thing that could happen.
DCI scope changes require an open dialog, management here has said status quo going forward. The other details in the openers are unknown to me.

We start taking RJ's out of the desert in July, management here has gotten the staffing situation under control.

The regional model as it currently stands may not survive, but that is not going to change the scope section of your contract. Even if the RJ's return to mainline, it's still permitted flying, and is not flown under the mainline PWA.
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Old 05-11-2015 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
DCI scope changes require an open dialog, management here has said status quo going forward. The other details in the openers are unknown to me.

We start taking RJ's out of the desert in July, management here has gotten the staffing situation under control.

The regional model as it currently stands may not survive, but that is not going to change the scope section of your contract. Even if the RJ's return to mainline, it's still permitted flying, and is not flown under the mainline PWA.
Not sure what you're driving at here.

As for the bolded, we have PWA rates for the "large RJ's" although they are way too low (sub-JB by a wide margin for the E-190 which I suspect would cause a lot of righteous indignation if they even attempted it). But by definition if the currently outsourced RJ fleet or any part of it returned to mainline they would be flown under the mainline PWA as there isn't anything remotely close to B scale work rules or anything else to do it any other way.

PCL may or may not have actually and sustainably fixed their staffing crunch. I suspect its a temporary band aid approach. To any extent its working, its doing so by recruiting from other regionals and/or slowing attrition to other regionals from the same mostly fixed supply, which is insufficient for the industry as a whole at anywhere near the cost structure that enables its viability.
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Old 05-12-2015 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Even if the RJ's return to mainline, it's still permitted flying, and is not flown under the mainline PWA.
I don't think that's true:

"Except as provided in Sections 1 D., E., O., and Q.:
1. All flying performed by or for the Company or any Company affiliate will be performed by pilots in accordance with the terms and conditions of this PWA."

Section 1 D covers Delta Connection, 1 E covers Foreign Air Carriers, 1 O covers Alaska codeshare and 1 Q covers Hawaiian. How could the RJs return to mainline and flown by someone not covered by the mainline PWA?
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