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seekingblue 06-28-2015 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Jet87 (Post 1917200)
Nice try. All CRJ operators have had some issue with slow speed events. You just aren't aware of any. Yes I'm sure SkyWest has had more then others but you guys aren't immune.

that's a fair point. However, the events weren't bad enough to put an altitude limitation on the CRJ.

NormalAbnormal 06-28-2015 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1917184)
You assume way too much. Dispatchers plan the flight within the legalities, what you do with it after you push off the gate is all you. If you want to fly through all those thunderstorms the dispatcher routed you around, that's your prerogative. Wanna take it up to FL410 when you were planned at FL280, alrighty then. No one's here to play snitch.

Wow. Just, wow. 2 words: Joint Authority.

Jet87 06-28-2015 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 1917218)
that's a fair point. However, the events weren't bad enough to put an altitude limitation on the CRJ.

true, SkyWest has had more and worse events. SkyWest has been collecting data on these events for quite a while now and sharing all that info with the FAA. If you know anything about the SLC FSDO and our CMO, its a really bad relationship. SkyWest and the CMO can't get along, and while first thing first is fly the plane. This restriction is a bandaid cover/quick reaction by our CMO.

NVUS 06-28-2015 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by NormalAbnormal (Post 1917225)
Wow. Just, wow. 2 words: Joint Authority.

FAR 121.533

(b) The pilot in command and the aircraft dispatcher are jointly responsible for the preflight planning, delay, and dispatch release of a flight in compliance with this chapter and operations specifications.

(d) Each pilot in command of an aircraft is, during flight time, in command of the aircraft and crew and is responsible for the safety of the passengers, crewmembers, cargo, and airplane.
(e) Each pilot in command has full control and authority in the operation of the aircraft, without limitation, over other crewmembers and their duties during flight time, whether or not he holds valid certificates authorizing him to perform the duties of those crewmembers.

I'm not being cynical about it, I was just trying to say that dispatchers are not here to play snitch or second guess the operational control of the PIC.

seekingblue 06-28-2015 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1917253)
FAR 121.533

(b) The pilot in command and the aircraft dispatcher are jointly responsible for the preflight planning, delay, and dispatch release of a flight in compliance with this chapter and operations specifications.

(d) Each pilot in command of an aircraft is, during flight time, in command of the aircraft and crew and is responsible for the safety of the passengers, crewmembers, cargo, and airplane.
(e) Each pilot in command has full control and authority in the operation of the aircraft, without limitation, over other crewmembers and their duties during flight time, whether or not he holds valid certificates authorizing him to perform the duties of those crewmembers.

I'm not being cynical about it, I was just trying to say that dispatchers are not here to play snitch or second guess the operational control of the PIC.

You guys don't have to get an amended release for altitude changes greater than 4,000ft?

Nevets 06-28-2015 07:51 AM

SKW 200s restricted to 280 and 900s to 350
 

Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1917184)
You assume way too much. Dispatchers plan the flight within the legalities, what you do with it after you push off the gate is all you. If you want to fly through all those thunderstorms the dispatcher routed you around, that's your prerogative. Wanna take it up to FL410 when you were planned at FL280, alrighty then. No one's here to play snitch.


I am assuming that there is a list published. I'm just going off of what someone posted on that. But I'm also going off of the Skywest memo someone that said that occ and the FAA will be strictly monitoring those altitude/speed restrictions. So if it's not a dispatcher who will be snitching, who in occ will be strictly monitoring?

NormalAbnormal 06-28-2015 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1917253)
FAR 121.533

(b) The pilot in command and the aircraft dispatcher are jointly responsible for the preflight planning, delay, and dispatch release of a flight in compliance with this chapter and operations specifications.

(d) Each pilot in command of an aircraft is, during flight time, in command of the aircraft and crew and is responsible for the safety of the passengers, crewmembers, cargo, and airplane.
(e) Each pilot in command has full control and authority in the operation of the aircraft, without limitation, over other crewmembers and their duties during flight time, whether or not he holds valid certificates authorizing him to perform the duties of those crewmembers.

I'm not being cynical about it, I was just trying to say that dispatchers are not here to play snitch or second guess the operational control of the PIC.

You left out 121.533(a) & 121.533(c):
(a) Each certificate holder conducting domestic operations is responsible for operational control.

(c) The aircraft dispatcher is responsible for—
(1) Monitoring the progress of each flight;
(2) Issuing necessary information for the safety of the flight; and
(3) Cancelling or redispatching a flight if, in his opinion or the opinion of the pilot in command, the flight cannot operate or continue to operate safely as planned or released.
In other words, outside of a PIC's emergency authority under FAR 91.3, operational control remains with the certificate holder. A dispatcher along with the PIC could face certificate action if they saw anything unsafe in the operation of a flight and just sat on their hands. Typically deference is paid to the PIC because they are the one there and directly facing the threats to the flight. That doesn't abrogate the responsibility and authority of the dispatcher.

For instance, after leaving the gate, or even if already airborne, the dispatcher can recall the flight. A PIC who ignores those instructions (absent 91.3) is going to be doing a carpet dance.

wmupilot85 06-30-2015 01:55 PM

Honest question for the Skywest people....

What do you do if the APU is deferred in an unknown state, and the MEL has you limited to 220 KIAS?

inline five 06-30-2015 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by wmupilot85 (Post 1918988)
Honest question for the Skywest people....

What do you do if the APU is deferred in an unknown state, and the MEL has you limited to 220 KIAS?

In my experience it was a 300 kt limit. Either that or you run it continuously. Is yours something else?

FaceBiter 06-30-2015 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by wmupilot85 (Post 1918988)
Honest question for the Skywest people....

What do you do if the APU is deferred in an unknown state, and the MEL has you limited to 220 KIAS?

Is it firewall Friday?


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