pitchtrim

Delta was and rumored to still be lined up to sign awac. American just re-signed up as well. There was even AirTran not that long ago really. Billy you're not that bright sometimes.

billyho

Pitch AAG didn't resign with AWAC they exercised an extension. Had Parker got what he wanted cost wise AWAC would've been locked in for more then just an extension. 2 years is perfect timing for PDT to get ramped up.
As for AirTran both partied ways when AirTran after just over a year, figured they could operate the 717 just about at the Cost of having AWAC.

Delta deal I don't know what happened there. But I bet you guys were only in line had you got a contract done. Like I said it's all about cost when it comes to majors and there regional feed. If AWAC had 20 900's and Mesa had 20 900's and Mesa Operated there cheaper who's AAG going to sign???? It's that simple is all I'm saying. Now the 3 Wo'ed are in line with the cost of contract carriers and it's why AAG is beefing up PDT to fly in the NE.

No I'm not bright at all.

billyho

Okay back to the Laker/MIN game. later. Good luck with the 100,000 regional FO thingy.

Glenntilton

Didn't read the entire thread, but pilots are under paid, especially at the regionals.

pitchtrim

Delta came to us because we can staff and not cancel flights. It's why we get to charge more or in the delta case, walk away. American won't let us retire a few of our old birds because again, they need us. Just cause company A is cheaper than company B doesn't mean A gets the flying. You get what you pay for. Case in point Republic.

Waitingformins

Delta went with Endeaver bonus's instead of signing AWAC.
AWAC exercised the extension not AA.
Your needed until your not. If they need you until they can prop up their own WOs then that's not meaningful job security.
The real leverage loss in this business is that RJ hulls are being reduced at most carriers creating a false surplus during a shortage.
They are smart enough to know they can't maintain the status quo with the size of the RJ operations.

WakeWash

"I just can't..." You're sounding more and more like a sorority girl each day.

billyho

Now that's funny right there! I don't care who you are.

AC560

I didn't read it either but its a simple result of economics and human nature. Payroll is a % of a business and a company really doesn't care so much what the breakdown is just what the % of the total payroll is to revenue/profit/etc.

In collective bargaining the workforce determines how the total pot gets split largely. This generally leads to inequality with the top earning disproportionate to the bottom. The easiest way to reduce payroll from the management side is toss the existing workforce a bone in exchange for a B scale, scope, work rules, etc. Companies take the long focus as to what will drive savings over years (you can amortize a B scale and project savings immediately). Work groups focus on their needs which is generally only a 20-30yr window at best and in reality focused mostly on the current contract and what is in it for them. End result is everyone on property when the contract gets signed earns, the new guys pay for it (i.e. the old paying your dues). The company gets their savings a couple years later when the new scales start to take effect or through ability to outsource work to cheaper options and it tends to be exponential as the time goes on (i.e. see current state versus 30yrs ago).

It isn't ever going to change but it is always fun to talk about.

billyho

Well then you guys have nothing at all to worry about and the future looks Great. Everything is awesome.