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Xtreme87 08-16-2015 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by Eject (Post 1950342)
Spoken like a true liberal. Contrary to popular socialist opinion, Capitalism is Great! Ask your grandparents. You have a choice to be a pilot (an employee), a CEO, or a shareholder (an owner). You are responsible for your successes and your failures. You are not being raped. You are choosing to live the lifestyle you have created. If you want change, you can change. You all (pilots) need to realize you are employees. Absolutely fight for higher wages, better work rules, and refuse to give in to concessions. But realize, you are entitled to nothing. You have a J-O-B. Try running a business. It will certainly change your perspective and help you realize you are in control of your own destiny.

We have a business. You realize our government is bought by big corporations. Have you seen how much is donated to these puppets running for president now? Sorry but I don't have that kind of cash, and most hard working people are not a part of any union to get a voice either. Time for a reality check, stop drinking the Koolaid. The system is rigged against the middle class. Try explaining the billions made off the recession. Just scumbags profiting off the loss of the middle class.
Oh and I'm a libertarian buddy, I don't need anything from anybody...just a fair system.

JoeMerchant 08-16-2015 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 1950379)
We have a business. You realize our government is bought by big corporations. Have you seen how much is donated to these puppets running for president now? Sorry but I don't have that kind of cash, and most hard working people are not a part of any union to get a voice either. Time for a reality check, stop drinking the Koolaid. The system is rigged against the middle class. Try explaining the billions made off the recession. Just scumbags profiting off the loss of the middle class.
Oh and I'm a libertarian buddy, I don't need anything from anybody...just a fair system.

Yes indeed...Time for a reality check. The President of ALPA makes over $400K a year while a regional FO makes $20K and qualifies for food stamps. Stop drinking both flavors of koolaid....

Bootleg 08-16-2015 10:24 AM

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I have mentioned on here more than once, about how the mainline "partners" are making billions off the backs of the "regional" pilots. That's Billions with a "B" kids. Don't try to tell me that they can't afford to pay you more. They can. There are more sinister things at play here than meets the eye. The biggest threat to the "regional" pilots livelihood is ALPA. Their have proven time and time again, that they are managements right hand man. They never fail to mis-represent. And all he while you people are shoveling money to this corrupt organization on a monthly basis. Your "representatives" are out eating lobster and running up exorbitant bar tabs, while you are eating ramen noodles, and worrying about paying your light bill.

If ALPA had any substance at all, this shuffling of aircraft between carriers as punishment would never even have been dreamed of.

Has ALPA been pushing to get all you "regional" guys on your respective mainline partners seniority list? Why not??? Jet what the hell have they been doing? Taking bribes and selling you down the river that's what they've been doing, and not just you. Look what they tried to push on the Delta guys.

Their time has come and gone fellows. They no longer serve any productive purpose. If their exploits came out in court there would be some jail time involved for most of them, and well deserved.

Fegelein 08-16-2015 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by pitchtrim (Post 1950283)
You can start by not voting in concessions. Not one single one. Educate everyone you fly with that airlines are profitable and there should only be gains for its employees not cuts. Tell your union to demand high wages when they meet at the table with management. Not 1% raises, big raises.

Then how are you going to get new, larger RJs with engines underneath the wings?

Fegelein 08-16-2015 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Eject (Post 1950342)
Spoken like a true liberal. Contrary to popular socialist opinion, Capitalism is Great! Ask your grandparents. You have a choice to be a pilot (an employee), a CEO, or a shareholder (an owner). You are responsible for your successes and your failures. You are not being raped. You are choosing to live the lifestyle you have created. If you want change, you can change. You all (pilots) need to realize you are employees. Absolutely fight for higher wages, better work rules, and refuse to give in to concessions. But realize, you are entitled to nothing. You have a J-O-B. Try running a business. It will certainly change your perspective and help you realize you are in control of your own destiny.

Today's millennial regional pilots want others to guarantee their success. They want guaranteed flows to the majors without having to interview and now some in this thread want a government mandated regional airline minimum wage.

They want all the rewards without doing any of the hard work and taking any risk to achieve their goals.

Just as they used to get the participation trophy for just being on the little league soccer team, they now want a guaranteed job at a major just for being a regional pilot and not having to interview and earn it.

squib 08-16-2015 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 1950298)
ALPA isn't broken, it's working as intended. What is broken are the people elected to represent you, your fellow pilots.

Quite a conflicting statement.

Mesabah 08-16-2015 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by Fegelein (Post 1950609)
Today's millennial regional pilots want others to guarantee their success. They want guaranteed flows to the majors without having to interview and now some in this thread want a government mandated regional airline minimum wage.

They want all the rewards without doing any of the hard work and taking any risk to achieve their goals.

Just as they used to get the participation trophy for just being on the little league soccer team, they now want a guaranteed job at a major just for being a regional pilot and not having to interview and earn it.

You get what you can negotiate. A lot of regional pilots have negotiated their way onto the mainline list, and they deserve it because they got it.

squib 08-16-2015 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1950734)
You get what you can negotiate. A lot of regional pilots have negotiated their way onto the mainline list, and they deserve it because they got it.

Spoken like a true "millennial." Congrats!

jethikoki 08-17-2015 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by Fegelein (Post 1950609)
Today's millennial regional pilots want others to guarantee their success. They want guaranteed flows to the majors without having to interview and now some in this thread want a government mandated regional airline minimum wage.

They want all the rewards without doing any of the hard work and taking any risk to achieve their goals.

Just as they used to get the participation trophy for just being on the little league soccer team, they now want a guaranteed job at a major just for being a regional pilot and not having to interview and earn it.

Excuse me? How about just having equality? That's what I thought the USA, unions and or associations is/are about. Most or all had some interview at what ever company they work for. Where was the DAL interview for the Western Airline pilots? According to you why should they get a guaranteed job at DAL without being interviewed by DAL first?
Not going to happen when mainline buys a regional. (Thanks ALPA!) Have to use that "similar gauge equipment" argument.
God forbid the association provide the same treatment between mainline and regional pilots. Your mainline flying is so vastly different. I am sure this was all written about in the Line Dancing books the union wants us to read.
I know I should be sorry for feeling like this. I know like you say or imply all the hard work is only at mainline or people who work at a mainline. All other jobs are easy or much easier for regional pilots. We are all just a bunch of entitlement wannabes. I'm just glad we have people like you here to mentor us. Thank you for your insight.


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