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RJ Pilot 08-26-2015 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by deepwater (Post 1957419)
Hmmm... I wonder who would benefit from a ready-made regional operator with lotsa pilots and shiny E-Jets ?

envoy pilots salivating over this.

Good Luck!

PilotJ3 08-26-2015 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by CRJail (Post 1957552)
Also important to remember that mainline can't just take the airplanes back. These planes are owned by RAH

Yeah, but mainline can buy the planes from RAH or the leasing company.

Ronaldo 08-26-2015 04:11 PM

Don't forget they mailed harcopy pamphlets to every pilot's house. Those pamphlets included erroneous pay rates, higher than the actual offer.

Further, this offer reduces credit value for MIL members pre-awarding mil leave to a value less than Union leave, jury duty, company business, pdo, recurrent training and all reserve types. A change that is concessionary and possibly illegal under USERRA. Thanks for your service. Since you like the reserves so much, here's some RSV for your schedule.

-God Bless

cedarcreek 08-26-2015 04:39 PM

Every member of the Teamsters Airline Division should pay close attention to what Republic's Management is trying to do to the Republic pilot group. Management is attempting to circumvent the bargaining process, and directly send a “contract” to the pilot group for a vote. They are twisting the language of Article XII, Section 1 of the IBT Constitution in order to do this.

Article XII
STRIKES, LOCKOUTS, WAGE SCALES, DISPUTES OVER JURISDICTION
Strike Action by Local Unions
Section 1(a). When any difficulty or dispute arises between the members of any Local Union and their employers, it shall be the duty of the officers of such Local Union to use every possible means of achieving a settlement or resolution of the difficulty or dispute through the processes of collective bargaining.
(b). Agreements shall either be accepted by a majority vote of those members involved in negotiations and voting, or a majority of such members shall direct further negotiations before a final vote on the employer's offer is taken, as directed by the Local Union Executive Board. During negotiations, the Local Union Executive Board may order a secret ballot strike vote to be taken and when, in the judgment of the Local Union Executive Board, an employer has made a final offer of settlement, such offer must be submitted to the involved membership for a secret ballot vote as hereinafter provided;
(1) If at least one half of the members eligible to vote cast valid ballots, then a cumulative majority of those voting in favor of the final offer shall result in acceptance of such offer; and a cumulative majority of those voting against acceptance of the final offer shall authorize a strike without any additional vote being necessary for such strike authorization. In the event of a tie vote on either a motion to accept a final offer or to strike, the Local Union Executive Board shall conduct a second vote. If the result of the second vote is a tie, the Local Union Executive Board shall have the discretion to either accept the final offer or reject the final offer and authorize a strike at such time as it determines.


The company is ignoring various parts of this section. The Local Executive Board did not decide this was a “final offer of settlement,” nor is the company willing to except a strike as the result of a “cumulative majority of those voting against acceptance.” This section of the IBT constitution was not intended for those members who fall under the jurisdiction of the RLA. The company is trying to use only the first half of this paragraph to force a vote.

If Republic management is successful in circumventing the Local’s Executive Board and Negotiating Committee this will set a disastrous precedent for all Airline Division IBT members. What will happen to the negotiating process currently underway at Allegiant or GoJets or any other pilot group? All members need to pay close attention to this and voice their concerns with the IBT Airline Division.


Call 202-624-6848 or 800-635-3961 and let the ALD know how important it is to not let management circumvent the process.

iflyjets4food 08-26-2015 04:59 PM

Great job 357! Keep up the fight!

LeadFoot 08-26-2015 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by cedarcreek (Post 1957682)
Every member of the Teamsters Airline Division should pay close attention to what Republic's Management is trying to do to the Republic pilot group. Management is attempting to circumvent the bargaining process, and directly send a “contract” to the pilot group for a vote. They are twisting the language of Article XII, Section 1 of the IBT Constitution in order to do this.

Article XII
STRIKES, LOCKOUTS, WAGE SCALES, DISPUTES OVER JURISDICTION
Strike Action by Local Unions
Section 1(a). When any difficulty or dispute arises between the members of any Local Union and their employers, it shall be the duty of the officers of such Local Union to use every possible means of achieving a settlement or resolution of the difficulty or dispute through the processes of collective bargaining.
(b). Agreements shall either be accepted by a majority vote of those members involved in negotiations and voting, or a majority of such members shall direct further negotiations before a final vote on the employer's offer is taken, as directed by the Local Union Executive Board. During negotiations, the Local Union Executive Board may order a secret ballot strike vote to be taken and when, in the judgment of the Local Union Executive Board, an employer has made a final offer of settlement, such offer must be submitted to the involved membership for a secret ballot vote as hereinafter provided;
(1) If at least one half of the members eligible to vote cast valid ballots, then a cumulative majority of those voting in favor of the final offer shall result in acceptance of such offer; and a cumulative majority of those voting against acceptance of the final offer shall authorize a strike without any additional vote being necessary for such strike authorization. In the event of a tie vote on either a motion to accept a final offer or to strike, the Local Union Executive Board shall conduct a second vote. If the result of the second vote is a tie, the Local Union Executive Board shall have the discretion to either accept the final offer or reject the final offer and authorize a strike at such time as it determines.


The company is ignoring various parts of this section. The Local Executive Board did not decide this was a “final offer of settlement,” nor is the company willing to except a strike as the result of a “cumulative majority of those voting against acceptance.” This section of the IBT constitution was not intended for those members who fall under the jurisdiction of the RLA. The company is trying to use only the first half of this paragraph to force a vote.

If Republic management is successful in circumventing the Local’s Executive Board and Negotiating Committee this will set a disastrous precedent for all Airline Division IBT members. What will happen to the negotiating process currently underway at Allegiant or GoJets or any other pilot group? All members need to pay close attention to this and voice their concerns with the IBT Airline Division.


Call 202-624-6848 or 800-635-3961 and let the ALD know how important it is to not let management circumvent the process.

Great point. RAH is a publicly traded company and management needs to be accountable. How is the board not even considering the idea of replacing management and the CEO in light of this bad situation? People usually come back and make a joke about CEO Bedford, but I say this in all seriousness.

Geardownflaps30 08-26-2015 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by cedarcreek (Post 1957682)
every member of the teamsters airline division should pay close attention to what republic's management is trying to do to the republic pilot group. Management is attempting to circumvent the bargaining process, and directly send a “contract” to the pilot group for a vote. They are twisting the language of article xii, section 1 of the ibt constitution in order to do this.

Article xii
strikes, lockouts, wage scales, disputes over jurisdiction
strike action by local unions
section 1(a). When any difficulty or dispute arises between the members of any local union and their employers, it shall be the duty of the officers of such local union to use every possible means of achieving a settlement or resolution of the difficulty or dispute through the processes of collective bargaining.
(b). Agreements shall either be accepted by a majority vote of those members involved in negotiations and voting, or a majority of such members shall direct further negotiations before a final vote on the employer's offer is taken, as directed by the local union executive board. During negotiations, the local union executive board may order a secret ballot strike vote to be taken and when, in the judgment of the local union executive board, an employer has made a final offer of settlement, such offer must be submitted to the involved membership for a secret ballot vote as hereinafter provided;
(1) if at least one half of the members eligible to vote cast valid ballots, then a cumulative majority of those voting in favor of the final offer shall result in acceptance of such offer; and a cumulative majority of those voting against acceptance of the final offer shall authorize a strike without any additional vote being necessary for such strike authorization. In the event of a tie vote on either a motion to accept a final offer or to strike, the local union executive board shall conduct a second vote. If the result of the second vote is a tie, the local union executive board shall have the discretion to either accept the final offer or reject the final offer and authorize a strike at such time as it determines.


The company is ignoring various parts of this section. The local executive board did not decide this was a “final offer of settlement,” nor is the company willing to except a strike as the result of a “cumulative majority of those voting against acceptance.” this section of the ibt constitution was not intended for those members who fall under the jurisdiction of the rla. The company is trying to use only the first half of this paragraph to force a vote.

If republic management is successful in circumventing the local’s executive board and negotiating committee this will set a disastrous precedent for all airline division ibt members. What will happen to the negotiating process currently underway at allegiant or gojets or any other pilot group? All members need to pay close attention to this and voice their concerns with the ibt airline division.


Call 202-624-6848 or 800-635-3961 and let the ald know how important it is to not let management circumvent the process.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this!!!!!!!

glassnpowder98 08-26-2015 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by LeadFoot (Post 1957729)
Great point. RAH is a publicly traded company and management needs to be accountable. How is the board not even considering the idea of replacing management and the CEO in light of this bad situation? People usually come back and make a joke about CEO Bedford, but I say this in all seriousness.

Because the Chairman of the Board isn't ready to stick a fork in himself. The golden parachute doesn't provide much lift when your 400,000 shares lost 80% of their value in the last few weeks.

bgmann 08-26-2015 08:24 PM

The airframes that fly out of ORD for AA. Does AA own those or RAH? Thanks. Just curious. Good luck you guys. Hope it turns out okay.

air101 08-26-2015 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by bgmann (Post 1957819)
The airframes that fly out of ORD for AA. Does AA own those or RAH? Thanks. Just curious. Good luck you guys. Hope it turns out okay.

They are owned by RAH.


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