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Skyvector 08-26-2015 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by air101 (Post 1957834)
They are owned by RAH.

AA is the underwriter on them and there are numerous clauses which allow AA to take possession of those aircraft. I can't remember every single clause, but one of them was inability to staff/fulfill flying obligations. Same goes for the E175s out of MIA.

Geardownflaps30 08-27-2015 12:43 AM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1957861)
AA is the underwriter on them and there are numerous clauses which allow AA to take possession of those aircraft. I can't remember every single clause, but one of them was inability to staff/fulfill flying obligations. Same goes for the E175s out of MIA.

Actually it's a Brasilian bank that "underwrote" them. Not AA.

Reservist 08-27-2015 04:50 AM

Why don't you guys post or link a document instead of pulling facts out of your A$$

4V14T0R 08-27-2015 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by Reservist (Post 1957936)
Why don't you guys post or link a document instead of pulling facts out of your A$$

Why so curious? Wondering if those planes might go to Envoy?

Reservist 08-27-2015 05:28 AM

I don't really care honestly. But every spectrum of possibilities from republic owns the planes outright, to bank of Brazil, to aa underwrites the leases has been stated with absolute certainty. Leading me to believe everyone that posts here is full of it.

Envoy can't staff very many more planes anyway, trying to will kill the flow, it's not really a concern of mine.

Ex lurker 08-27-2015 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1957879)
Actually it's a Brasilian bank that "underwrote" them. Not AA.

While the terms of those contracts are generally secret Neal Spanier is on record as saying that he learned that AAG has back stopped the loans for those aircraft. I'm sure that affords AAG certain rights and privileges.

Theaveragejoker 08-27-2015 05:35 AM

I wonder if someone could use foia to find the real scoop on those planes...

That someone not being lazy 'ol me though.

AlphaMikeFoxtrt 08-27-2015 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by Reservist (Post 1957953)
I don't really care honestly. But every spectrum of possibilities from republic owns the planes outright, to bank of Brazil, to aa underwrites the leases has been stated with absolute certainty. Leading me to believe everyone that posts here is full of it.

Envoy can't staff very many more planes anyway, trying to will kill the flow, it's not really a concern of mine.

Do you know how many people we have on RSV in DFW and ORD??? Why are we pulling A/C out of storage and increasing our block hours each month??? I would say that envoy can staff more than you think..

4V14T0R 08-27-2015 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by Reservist (Post 1957953)
I don't really care honestly. But every spectrum of possibilities from republic owns the planes outright, to bank of Brazil, to aa underwrites the leases has been stated with absolute certainty. Leading me to believe everyone that posts here is full of it.

Envoy can't staff very many more planes anyway, trying to will kill the flow, it's not really a concern of mine.

Well, I agree with that. Many people like to speculate and pass it off as fact. Unfortunately that means a lot of misinformation and reading between the lines.

FEtoFO 08-27-2015 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1957861)
AA is the underwriter on them and there are numerous clauses which allow AA to take possession of those aircraft. I can't remember every single clause, but one of them was inability to staff/fulfill flying obligations. Same goes for the E175s out of MIA.

So you have seen the Capacity Purchase Agreement between RAH and AMR? I don't think so! Of course AMR put in some type of quality clause and I'm sure Republic is failing to meet those numbers. At least Republic is trying to hold the line for regionals, even though they will probably lose flyng


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