And there is it. Had a good positive run on this thread for a while though! Haha.

All kidding aside, what is a WO? I'm sure that's a dumb question but I'm having a hard time cramming more acronyms in my brain!

Anyone else care to weigh in on the prospects at Piedmont.
Everything but the bases seems good there, is that the only real drawback to that place, or am I missing something?

 

No, it is the absolute truth. Arbitrator Bloch ruled in 2008 that those flow-thru's who didn't have a class date at the expiration of Letter 3 lost their flow-thru rights. Why don't you contact your regional Envoy sales manager Cujo who might be able to clue you in or better yet, call Euless and ask to talk to Wayne ?

The fact is you really have no idea of anything you're talking about here and are just selling B.S. to any poor sap stupid enough to listen.

BTW, most Envoy pilots aren't subject to the 824 award and everything after that for most present and ALL future Envoy pilots isn't even an arbitral award, but simple agreement of the parties (management/union) and is modifiable at any point in the future under several scenarios

Pucker up, Buttercup.

 

Let me fix it for you. If you had read Bloch's ruling you would realize that it was for the Letter 3 flows only. I've talked to Wayne about it and the 824/PP group is totally different.

Any idiot can see that out of all the regionals, Envoy is top tier because of the enhanced flow agreement. Only one interview and it takes you all the way to AA. No SSP, no interview or being turned down. When your number comes up, it's as simple as a transfer and boom, you are in class at AA.

 

I have read Bloch's ruling several times and know more about that agreement then you could ever learn. If YOU had any comprehension skills, you'd note I refrenced Letter 3. Additionally, I never questioned the 824, but pilots after that who don't even HAVE any arbitral weight by award and are thus at the whim of whatever circumstances develop in the future for Envoy. Remember (well, that's probably expecting too much), the question was about if a flow-thru could be stripped and it has.........right here at Envoy in 2008.

Is this you 665 ?

If so, flip yourself back to heads. You at least made sense some of the time on that side of the coin.

This side is a complete disaster.

 

This place borders on the surreal at times.

 

Any insight on this?

 

Well that and the WO makes it something that needs to be weighed out carefully.

 

WO means wholly owned. PDT is going to grow and you will upgrade quickly. The base structure should be ok with PHL as a base.

 

Piedmont ' s flow increases as we grow. Sending 5/month the next 3 months. Right no they aren't having problems hiring (of course this will change one day, it always does) but getting in before we have 500 pilots will get you to AA FAST. 5.5-6 years. Looking at a total of 8-900 pilots minimum

 

Piedmont has endured Years and Years of shrinking and flying aged aircraft. During our merger with ALG we had a fleet of just over 100 planes. That shrunk to a number less then 40!!
2 years ago I wouldn't have signed anyone of my friends up to come here because it was just a depressing place to be. Unless you lived it base it was hard to commute with our outstations and horrible schedules. That has now changed (Not the Schedules yet) and we are about double in size and have a continued movement in place because of the flowthru.

PHL is opening and it will continue to grow and grow and then another base like DCA or the rumored RDU might open. Not sure but I believe the plane is to get Piedmont going with the 145's and then switch over to the 175's and probably down the road merge with ENVOY. That won't happen for a long time.
Piedmont is a good place to come right NOW. 3-4 years???? How knows because it seems that the regional on top today will not be later. While I'll be gone to American it will be nice to see growth and happy people at Piedmont again like it used to be.