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John Carr 09-22-2015 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1976689)
All true. But a couple of key points are beyond the usual assumptions. The official spokesman mentioned the police being called and made the reference to (not) physical altercation. Neither were necessary comments. Really bad spokesman at the very least, trying for damage control at best.

Agree.

But again, NOT all the facts are out. "(not) physical altercation" could simply be the spokesperson dispelling that it got ANYWHERE near, we simply DON'T KNOW. Best not to assume......

But I'm pretty sure you've been in this game a while. And ESPECIALLY in a post 9/11 environment, the cops can come for virtually NOTHING. Seen it all too many times.

As far as a "witness" or a "blogger" is concerned, it's like this;

"witnesses said they heard the jet's engines sputtering right before impact....."

"passengers said it was worst turbulence they've ever encountered, and they must have lost 10,000ft after hitting the air pocket....."

AxlF16 09-22-2015 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO (Post 1976710)
So maybe target +20? I would have said, "yo bro, you mind slowing down," but that's just me. Obviously there is more to this story.


https://www.globalair.com/dtpp/globalair_00241ad.pdf

To be precise, at 1000' I would've said "xx knots fast", then at 500' I would've simply said "Go around, Airspeed". Unstable is unstable.

rickair7777 09-22-2015 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by AxlF16 (Post 1976718)
To be precise, at 1000' I would've said "xx knots fast", then at 500' I would've simply said "Go around, Airspeed". Unstable is unstable.

What if he doesn't go around? Classic interview dilemma...and the solution is key the mike and tell tower you're going around. Now if CA Energy State continues the approach and LDG at that point you've got a problem...I can see how that would result in a personality conflict.

Hopefully the FO just walked off while dialing the MOD, nothing to be gained by engaging a dude who "declines" a go-around call.

AxlF16 09-22-2015 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1976725)
What if he doesn't go around? Classic interview dilemma...and the solution is key the mike and tell tower you're going around. Now if CA Energy State continues the approach and LDG at that point you've got a problem...I can see how that would result in a personality conflict.

Hopefully the FO just walked off while dialing the MOD, nothing to be gained by engaging a dude who "declines" a go-around call.

Exactly. This isn't as far fetched as some imagine. Unfortunately.

full of luv 09-22-2015 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1976725)
What if he doesn't go around? Classic interview dilemma...and the solution is key the mike and tell tower you're going around. Now if CA Energy State continues the approach and LDG at that point you've got a problem...I can see how that would result in a personality conflict.

Hopefully the FO just walked off while dialing the MOD, nothing to be gained by engaging a dude who "declines" a go-around call.

No the right answer is allegedly to argue with the captain and then convince the fa that the captain is unstable/unsafe and then deboard the airplane while the captain is away and call the police. See above for example.
At least there is some good bbq in Lubbock.

APC225 09-22-2015 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1976743)
No the right answer is allegedly to argue with the captain and then convince the fa that the captain is unstable/unsafe and then deboard the airplane while the captain is away and call the police. See above for example.
At least there is some good bbq in Lubbock.

Oh geez that is one dark scenario. Add the love triangle and we're really off and running.

And yes, Lubbock has good food!

Learflyer 09-22-2015 12:42 PM

Citation X is much more pleasant in x-winds with at least 130kts over the fence. :)

gettinbumped 09-22-2015 12:52 PM

[QUOTE=AxlF16;1976635]Wait...I've flown with that captain at United:eek:[/QUOTE

Disregard.....

gettinbumped 09-22-2015 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1976743)
No the right answer is allegedly to argue with the captain and then convince the fa that the captain is unstable/unsafe and then deboard the airplane while the captain is away and call the police. See above for example.
At least there is some good bbq in Lubbock.

Agreed. Man nothing like getting the FA's and the passengers involved in something like this. We are all assuming that the guy was a sustained 20 over (15 being stabilized) and ignored a go-around call. We have no idea if that's what happened. But this was handled BADLY if what I'm reading is true

gettinbumped 09-22-2015 01:01 PM

The famous story at UAL comes to mind. Captain and FO are at a ball game. Having a good time with just a couple of beers. They finish and it's just after 12 hours prior to takeoff (back before we were at 8 hours). FO saying nothing to Captain about the fact that he finished his beer at 11:58 prior to push, but she decides to call the FODM and report him. Stay classy!!!!! There are easier ways to move up a number


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