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Originally Posted by emb145
(Post 2017136)
PDT flowing in 3 years is no more laughable than Envoy's 2.5/6. After all, it's a projection, right?
For the 2.5/6 to work, 34 upgrades per month, every month, for the next year and beyond are the numbers needed to make it happen at Envoy. Unfortunately, that's laughable. |
Originally Posted by sublime259
(Post 2017167)
Me saying a 3 year flow at PDT is laughable is more of a jab at people such as yourself who continue to criticize envoy for no particular reason, while leaving PDT untouched. Yes...a small airline flying -8's and POSSIBLY a few beat up 145's is really something to write home about!
I'll help you out here... PDT's claims of a 6 year flow sound just as unlikely as Envoy's, and even if the PSA flow increases to it's max and gets revisited, they would still be exaggerating wildly if they projected a similar pace for a newhire to reach mainline. I think all wholly owned carriers are on track to similar career progression movement. Management talk is cheap, it costs them nothing to make these projections in the hopes of reeling in some fish. The truth is obviously in the middle somewhere. |
Originally Posted by DOGIII
(Post 2017174)
Management talk is cheap, it costs them nothing to make these projections in the hopes of reeling in some fish. The truth is obviously in the middle somewhere.
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Back to topic on hand
I'm glad to see R.I.(cujo, mason ) gone He's done this pilot group more harm than good. And if you try to manipulate the system like he was getting paid not to work with my union dues I'm glad they fired him. Our chief pilot is a great guy , only thing he asks is don't lie to him. If you need time off he'll do everything he can to make it happen. R.I political crap and posturing wasted a lot of our unions time |
Good for you.
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Originally Posted by sublime259
(Post 2017177)
I agree with you there. Of course management is going to say whatever they can to legitimize their claim...that's their job. I'm just saying from the numbers that I've run, the numbers for envoy look legit to me (or very close to it at least.) As much as both you and I might not like to admit it, the number crunchers at AAG are a lot smarter then both you an I.
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Most of these flows seem to take a lot longer than these projections I'm hearing. I know this doesn't help much but the last jumpseater I had was fairly new AA(Airways side) and said it took him 17 years to flow, pretty sure he was PDT.
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CDD
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 2016885)
He certainly busted his hump selling Envoy on-line. As I understand it, CDD's really put you in a pickle as you admit the accusations against you which means you're essentially on double secret probation for the remainder of your tenure. If Mason ran afoul of his tenuous employment situation and they canned him, that is truly unfortunate. I disagreed with his claims and math, but take no pleasure in someone losing their job. I heard of many pilots canned at Eagle for a wide range of infractions and most got their jobs back. Normally, I would say don't count Mason out just yet, but a existing CDD in one's file exacerbates the situation in favor of the company from what I've heard.
I wish him good luck on getting his job back and hope whatever the situation is, it can be salvaged. |
Originally Posted by Mach Indicator
(Post 2017675)
What's a CDD? I assume you're not referring to Christian Domestic Discipline. Look that one up if you're not aware. I just did.
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Any guesses what the new username will be that pops up on here bashing Envoy? Surely Cujo can't stay away. He'll be back but never admit that it was him that got fired.
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