I hope that continues for the sake of everyone paying their dues there.

Cheers.

I agree that AAG never does anything out of kindness. The issue with not flowing (other than never being able to hire for their regionals) is AA will need that mainline pilot regardless of where they get him, so they must pay X anyway. They could leave you topped out at the regional level making Y and hire off the street. Or, they could flow you, making your Y pay become X, and hire a new guy at the regional who makes Z.

X+Y>X+Z

And the bonus, they can use it as a recruiting tool to keep the wholly owned feed flowing for cheap.

I understand why people are so skeptical about the 2.5, however I don't see why people are so skeptical about the 6 year.

At best right now with everyone taking the flow its at a 5.5 year rate. At worst when everyone flows is an 8ish year rate. And that is with EVERYONE taking the flow and not going anywhere else.

If you search the post history of those that are so skeptical about the 6 years flow you will find that nearly all of them are either (1) former envoy pilots that flinched during the company's hard pressure negotiation tactics and jumped ship, or are (2) PSA, RAH, TSA etc pilots or are (3) a bitter old former envoy pilot with a deep sociopathic disorder. You'll even notice that eaglefly has moved his focus of criticism away from the 6 year flow and now talks almost exclusively about the 2.5 year upgrade. He knows the 6 year flow numbers work and has been proven wrong on the subject several times. He now focuses his envoy attacks on a subject he has more likelihood to successfully argue. Except he overlooks the fact that no one, not the envoy "salesmen" or even ALPA endorses the 2.5 upgrade as plausible. The only person actually selling it, is Wilson. eaglefly just hopes that guys will focus on that one small part of the flow "promise" to discredit the entire flow program.

I make no bones about the fact that I "sell" envoy. Contrary to eaglefly's claim, I do not work in management or recruitment. I really do believe that Parker will make the flow work as advertised and that as the regional pilot staffing shortage deepens causing collapse and consolidation in the industry, envoy and the other wholly owned airlines will far the best. ( I have posted several times the basis for these convictions). I could be wrong, only time will tell. I am part of the 824. I will flow to AA soon whether they hire or not, whether envoy fails or not. It will not affect me. I sell envoy because I really believe in what I say. With a little post/profile search one can usually decipher between someone that has a legitimate criticism or gripe about envoy and those with an agenda.

Pretty generous statement implying that the worst offenders are capable of formulating any agenda other than leaping out from under their ridge at every opportunity.

Jesus.

I go away even for a couple of days and the obsession continues..........and folks, no matter WHAT you think of ME, there IS a serious sickness in play before your eyes here with this poor guy.

Even when I don't comment, in his world, it's obviously eaglefly, eaglefly, eaglefly................and more eaglefly. Everything bad about Envoy is because of eaglefly. In fact, everything apparently IS eaglefly. It seems I've permiated deep into his psyche and subconscious. I'll bet tonight at this very moment he is asleep.....actually, many nights he probably tosses and turns ruminating over eaglefly, but let's assume for arguments sake, he's asleep this time;

His significant other (or teddy bear whichever is applicable) is hearing soft moans, saying : eaglefly.............eaglefly............eeeeeeagl eflyyyyyy.

Significant other : Honey, honey..........are you OK ? Wake up.

The psychologically afflicted (groggily waking) : Huh.........Wha.........2.5 and 6, 2.5 and 6...........polly want a cra......er, uh.....what....where am I ?

Significant other : You're having a bad dream.

The psychologically afflicted : Oh..........yea, jeez. OK,.......I'll be Ok, I guess. That damn boogyman, again.

Significant other : Boogyman ?

The psychologically afflicted : Uh..........well, don't worry about it, I'll be OK.

The forum should note the PA has now added his latest false claim he attributes to me to stave off the nightly horrors in that I validate the 6 year flow claim. Never happened and review of my posts will prove that. What I DID say, was that it was too far out time wise to be of valid consideration, at least IMO.

I guess anything to keep the demons away on those dark, cold nights. :rolleyes:

Seriously, dude. You're out where the busses don't run. Get help while there's still a chance.

I haven't posted for a couple of days and you two have continued your pathetic parade, even using my name repeatedly and then have the stones to claim it's me that "uses every opportunity" ?

I think you should join you cohort for a session at the giggle academy. You both sound overdue for your next follow-up session. :cool:

Projections are nothing more than dreams that haven't come to fruition. They are not reality. Reality is your friend at Envoy who laughs out loud hysterically every time you mention 2.5/6.

2.5 certainly could happen. When I interviewed in 1999 upgrade time was 18 months. By the time I hit the line, it was at 24 months. By the time 9/11 happened, it was longer still.

Those that want to believe 2.5 is going to happen are welcome to, but I question the motives of those who sell it so hard. Quite frankly I think their hard sell job is self serving. The rabid attacks on anyone who doesn't agree with the message are telling.

Envoy isn't the worst Regional out there, and if someone wants to hire on here I'll help and support them however I can. I just think that they need to do their research and perhaps eliminate the two most positive and two most negative posters and consider "the middle" as reality.

Is there a way I can block eaglefly so I don't have to read anymore of his silly posts? I'm somewhat of a pessimist myself, but I just get pretty annoyed by his posts.